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200m bronze medalist online or extended campus student?
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(08-06-2021, 01:08 PM)sanantone Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 12:44 PM)ss20ts Wrote: Everyone doesn't care about Texas colleges. Many of the universities in California system have been world renowned for decades. My degree is from UMPI. Outside of New England who cares about the University of Maine system? Probably no one except for alumni. Anyone care about the university system in Florida? Outside of Florida and the South, probably not. Sorry but Texas A&M isn't UCLA. Very few schools compare to UCLA.
There wasn't a comparison of school rankings, although, UT-Austin is typically ranked pretty high on various world ranking lists, and Texas A&M has one of the best engineering schools in the country. Their overall rankings are lower than their reputations in individual fields because of the way U.S. News factors in SAT and ACT scores. That's why their world rankings put them higher than many universities with higher U.S. News national rankings, but that's beside the point. 

It's about people not understanding that multiple universities within a system are independent even though they have the same name with different cities attached to the end. Florida, which happens to have one of the best state university systems in the country, doesn't have this issue because the universities have different names.

Texas A&M and especially UT-Austin are not the least bit comparable to UMPI.

I didn't compare any school to UMPI. I stated that university systems are known in their area. Where I live no one would care about a school from Texas. They wouldn't care about much outside of the Northeast except schools like UCLA which are really well known. Here we have the SUNY and CUNY systems. Outside of the Northeast most people don't give a flying fig about SUNY. Outside of NYC almost no one cares about the CUNY schools either. It's all regional for the most part. 

I live near RIT, Syracuse, and Cornell. I assure you no one here is giving 2 thoughts about an engineering school in Texas. We're thousands of miles away. People come here from around the world to attend these universities. Granted, Cornell is Ivy League, but it still blows away any school in Texas. There's about 3000 colleges in the country. No one has heard of all of them and no one cares about 95% of them.
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(08-06-2021, 12:13 PM)sanantone Wrote: If you don't care, then you don't have to comment. I swear, this forum has become worse than the other one since that psychopath stopped posting over there. This forum has gotten a lot of new members with bad attitudes the past couple of years. The proof is in the stark differences in how people respond to the same topic here and there. 

You can't really say that this forum has gotten "uncivil" and then use language like that. That's just not cool. Don't use provocative language.
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(08-06-2021, 03:47 PM)ss20ts Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 01:08 PM)sanantone Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 12:44 PM)ss20ts Wrote: Everyone doesn't care about Texas colleges. Many of the universities in California system have been world renowned for decades. My degree is from UMPI. Outside of New England who cares about the University of Maine system? Probably no one except for alumni. Anyone care about the university system in Florida? Outside of Florida and the South, probably not. Sorry but Texas A&M isn't UCLA. Very few schools compare to UCLA.
There wasn't a comparison of school rankings, although, UT-Austin is typically ranked pretty high on various world ranking lists, and Texas A&M has one of the best engineering schools in the country. Their overall rankings are lower than their reputations in individual fields because of the way U.S. News factors in SAT and ACT scores. That's why their world rankings put them higher than many universities with higher U.S. News national rankings, but that's beside the point. 

It's about people not understanding that multiple universities within a system are independent even though they have the same name with different cities attached to the end. Florida, which happens to have one of the best state university systems in the country, doesn't have this issue because the universities have different names.

Texas A&M and especially UT-Austin are not the least bit comparable to UMPI.

I didn't compare any school to UMPI. I stated that university systems are known in their area. Where I live no one would care about a school from Texas. They wouldn't care about much outside of the Northeast except schools like UCLA which are really well known. Here we have the SUNY and CUNY systems. Outside of the Northeast most people don't give a flying fig about SUNY. Outside of NYC almost no one cares about the CUNY schools either. It's all regional for the most part. 

I live near RIT, Syracuse, and Cornell. I assure you no one here is giving 2 thoughts about an engineering school in Texas. We're thousands of miles away. People come here from around the world to attend these universities. Granted, Cornell is Ivy League, but it still blows away any school in Texas. There's about 3000 colleges in the country. No one has heard of all of them and no one cares about 95% of them.

People in the engineering field are aware of the top schools around the country. It doesn't matter if a kindergarten teacher or firefighter knows whether Texas A&M is a good engineering school. Looking at the average salaries of UT-Austin, Texas A&M, and SMU MBA graduates, they're among the highest in the country.

(08-06-2021, 03:59 PM)rachel83az Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 12:13 PM)sanantone Wrote: If you don't care, then you don't have to comment. I swear, this forum has become worse than the other one since that psychopath stopped posting over there. This forum has gotten a lot of new members with bad attitudes the past couple of years. The proof is in the stark differences in how people respond to the same topic here and there. 

You can't really say that this forum has gotten "uncivil" and then use language like that. That's just not cool. Don't use provocative language.

You can't call out one person for provocative language toward a formerly active member of another forum while not calling out another person's provocative language about the other forum. Ironically, that person was also talking about forum members' behaviors. LOL

(08-06-2021, 01:34 PM)Thorne Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 12:42 PM)dfrecore Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 10:44 PM)sanantone Wrote: Little rant. When I heard that Olympian Gabby Thomas, who graduated with a bachelor's degree in neurobiology from Harvard, was training and studying public health and epidemiology at UT in Austin, I knew something was off. UT-Austin doesn't have an MS in epidemiology or any MPH program.

Her LinkedIn profile says that she's actually attending the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, which has a pretty good public health school. Understandably, she's training at UT-Austin because they're excellent in track and field. The media has been confused. They've said she's a graduate student at Texas University (no such thing), Texas (that's UT-Austin), and University of Texas (also UT-Austin). Everyone seems to know the difference between all the University of California schools but can't understand that the UT and Texas A&M systems have multiple independent universities. No one I've come across thinks that UCLA and Berkeley are the same school.

She's either in the online MPH program or attending the Austin campus. UTHSCH also has extension campuses in Brownsville, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso.

I don't think people know the differences between the CA schools as much as you might think!  For instance, there are 2 separate systems: the UC-system (10 schools), and the CSU-system (23 schools).  But I think the main difference is that there isn't a single "main" campus of any of these.  They are ALWAYS called by their campus name or a nickname: hence UCLA, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, San Diego State, Sac State, etc.  

The ONLY exception is that if you say "Cal" then you're talking about UC Berkeley (it was first).  But it's not a "main" campus like the TX system seems to have, it's just one in a set of schools.

I think this is probably why. Honestly, if you don't live in Texas, TAMU Commerce probably seems like a business school that is part of TAMU. West TAMU sounds like a different campus and TAMU International seems like a sort of extension school.

As for the UT system, I think it should be more similar to the UC system, but the reality is that the UC schools are often world-renowned, as ss20ts said, while the only UT schools I heard of as a Texas resident were UT Austin and UT Dallas, which even the people in my area - the bloody DFW metroplex - often thought were just different campuses of the same school, rather than different schools in the system. Probably because they're called "University of Texas at [Location]."
The thing is that a lot of people actually do know about University of Texas at Austin because it has such a good reputation for academics and is a big sports school. The problem is that people think that reputation trickles down to the other schools when it comes to employment and salaries, which is not the case. This knowledge is more important to prospective students than anyone else. It's not that attending another school in the system won't be beneficial, but one might be disappointed to find out that the salary expectations and job prospects are not quite the same. 

University of Texas at Austin MBA graduates with their six figure salaries would probably laugh at the assertions that no one cares or knows about the school.

I think because a lot of people here come from non-traditional backgrounds and some from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, they're not aware of the amount of elitism going on behind the scenes. They and their peers may not be aware of who's who in various fields, but recruiters and the top employers do. This is why you'll see huge salary differences between flagship schools and other schools within a university system even though some of the lower-ranked campuses attract older students with more work experience.
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(08-06-2021, 04:11 PM)sanantone Wrote: The thing is that a lot of people actually do know about University of Texas at Austin because it has such a good reputation for academics and is a big sports school. The problem is that people think that reputation trickles down to the other schools when it comes to employment and salaries, which is not the case. This knowledge is more important to prospective students than anyone else. It's not that attending another school in the system won't be beneficial, but one might be disappointed to find out that the salary expectations and job prospects are not quite the same. 

University of Texas at Austin MBA graduates with their six figure salaries would probably laugh at the assertions that no one cares or knows about the school.

I think because a lot of people here come from non-traditional backgrounds and some from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, they're not aware of the amount of elitism going on behind the scenes. They and their peers may not be aware of who's who in various fields, but recruiters and the top employers do. This is why you'll see huge salary differences between flagship schools and other schools within a university system even though some of the lower-ranked campuses attract older students with more work experience.

Sure the school is probably well known in Texas and parts of the south especially because of college football. Outside of the South though it's probably not well known. I've never heard of it until today. I'll probably forget about it tomorrow. 

Many MBA grads earn 6 figures. That's not really a great indicator of much. Lots were making 6 figures before completing their MBA too. 

Most people don't care about most schools. They care about their alma matter, where their kids and parents went, and the sports they like. Other than that most people don't really think about colleges or care about them once they leave.

I've lived in other areas and didn't care about the colleges there. Care even less since I moved to another region. I never knew college football was like a religion until I moved to SC. I never understood why people were so over the top obsessed with it. I didn't grow up in an area where college football was a big deal. I still don't understand the obsession.
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I certainly wouldn't expect people to have heard about all 3,000 colleges in the US, but not having heard of UT Austin is admittedly pretty surprising.
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(08-06-2021, 04:51 PM)ss20ts Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 04:11 PM)sanantone Wrote: The thing is that a lot of people actually do know about University of Texas at Austin because it has such a good reputation for academics and is a big sports school. The problem is that people think that reputation trickles down to the other schools when it comes to employment and salaries, which is not the case. This knowledge is more important to prospective students than anyone else. It's not that attending another school in the system won't be beneficial, but one might be disappointed to find out that the salary expectations and job prospects are not quite the same. 

University of Texas at Austin MBA graduates with their six figure salaries would probably laugh at the assertions that no one cares or knows about the school.

I think because a lot of people here come from non-traditional backgrounds and some from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, they're not aware of the amount of elitism going on behind the scenes. They and their peers may not be aware of who's who in various fields, but recruiters and the top employers do. This is why you'll see huge salary differences between flagship schools and other schools within a university system even though some of the lower-ranked campuses attract older students with more work experience.

Sure the school is probably well known in Texas and parts of the south especially because of college football. Outside of the South though it's probably not well known. I've never heard of it until today. I'll probably forget about it tomorrow. 

Many MBA grads earn 6 figures. That's not really a great indicator of much. Lots were making 6 figures before completing their MBA too. 

Most people don't care about most schools. They care about their alma matter, where their kids and parents went, and the sports they like. Other than that most people don't really think about colleges or care about them once they leave.

I've lived in other areas and didn't care about the colleges there. Care even less since I moved to another region. I never knew college football was like a religion until I moved to SC. I never understood why people were so over the top obsessed with it. I didn't grow up in an area where college football was a big deal. I still don't understand the obsession.

As JSD said, people are not going to be familiar with the vast majority of colleges and universities, but not knowing about University of Texas at Austin would be kind of strange. I live in Texas and have a degree from University of Florida. UF doesn't have as much of a world reputation as UT-Austin does, but I haven't come across Texans who have never heard of UF, even among those who don't watch college sports. 

Regardless, top employers and recruiters definitely know about UT-Austin, which is what ultimately matters. They are in the top 5 among feeder schools at three of the Big 4 accounting firms.
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(08-06-2021, 04:54 PM)jsd Wrote: I certainly wouldn't expect people to have heard about all 3,000 colleges in the US, but not having heard of UT Austin is admittedly pretty surprising.

Why? I live thousands of miles away. I'm much closer to Canada and don't know any of their universities.
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(08-06-2021, 08:25 PM)ss20ts Wrote:
(08-06-2021, 04:54 PM)jsd Wrote: I certainly wouldn't expect people to have heard about all 3,000 colleges in the US, but not having heard of UT Austin is admittedly pretty surprising.

Why? I live thousands of miles away. I'm much closer to Canada and don't know any of their universities.

I mean, I live no where near Texas either, but i can't imagine never having heard of one of the top universities in the country. I'm not claiming it's on the level of an ivy league school, but it is world renowned.
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Someone said that people come from all over the world to attend Cornell. That's true, but I don't know what meaning that has when UT-Dallas has more international students than Cornell. I'm sure some of these students would rather be at UT-Austin, but Texas law requires that 90% of UT-Austin undergraduate students come from Texas.
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(08-06-2021, 08:45 PM)jsd Wrote: I mean, I live no where near Texas either, but i can't imagine never having heard of one of the top universities in the country. I'm not claiming it's on the level of an ivy league school, but it is world renowned.

Why is it so surprising? Where I live it's not a school that's ever mentioned.
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