ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

@Kalas

Most of what you write here is demonstrably false at worst and no longer accurate at best.

Untrue, and I'll be happy to educate you on how these things work, as based on what you wrote, you don't appear to understand.

AITU is accredited in Florida, which while not meaning much academically, is something. 

You misunderstand the concept of accreditation and conflate it with the concept of approval. Those are two very different functions. Florida does not institutionally accredit colleges and universities, they only approve and license them and leave institutional accreditation up to recognized independent bodies, that is a fact.

Moreover, AITU offers religious degrees, which are not the same thing as academic degrees.

No kidding...

State accreditation is a rare honor for religious programs. 

And AITU does not have it.

Furthermore, AITU has a partnership with UNIMY, which holds MQA accreditation in Malaysia. That is the equivalent of being RA in the US. In Malaysia accreditation is permanent unless something is done to screw it up, such as churning out doctoral degrees for a degree mill. 

Irrelevant like quoting the cost of fish in Denmark to a Martian. AITU can be partnered with Oxford, doesn't change the fact it's unaccredited and using a religious angle to skate around that just like its big brother Breyer State Theology University is doing. You apparently don't know the history of these two outfits, but it's nothing good. 

Help me out folks: How many states was Breyer State University (its original name) kicked out of before they went with this religious angle? I recall them being kicked out of several states for their diploma milling before they finally figured out how to circumvent the system and stay alive. If you can remember, let me know.

Does it make sense for a legitimate university to risk losing lifetime accreditation to make a couple thousand dollars off of a dual doctorate program that could potentially appeal to dozens of people?

Irrelevant. AITU is an unaccredited diploma mill using religious exemptions to skate around that fact just like Breyer State Theology University that is run by the same people. What some school in Malaysia or Timbuktu does or doesn't do is irrelevant to the point. Other countries also have different standards, and education/accreditation boards in different countries don't always care about these murky partnerships like boards in the United States do. Look at the wealth of murky partnerships Central University of Nicaragua has had, and nothing ever happened to them. Why? Because Nicaraguan authorities don't see it as important as long as the school operates properly in Nicaragua. This is common. In other words, this happens often with foreign schools and you don't seem to be aware of it.

That said, bringing up other countries is an apples and oranges debate, you don't appear to realize that, and it's not worth having.

ENEB's internal student forum can only be accessed by actual students of ENEB. Oh, the horror. It's a good thing Columbia's online course forums can be viewed by the general public. /sarcasm

I think the issue of adding private links to a public wiki that wouldn't be able to be utilized by non-students is well-understood by reasonable people...

West Coast Bible College & Seminary is a religious school offering religious degrees and as such has no need to seek accreditation. Are you sure you understand the difference between religious and academic degrees? Because this post would suggest you do not.

What you clearly don't understand is that there is a big difference between unwonderful/bad schools and diploma mills, and legitimate schools. These schools that were listed are either garbage with bad reputations or no reputations because they're garbage, schools that anyone who has been in this space for a while knows about.

I don't care what type of school it is, a bad school is a bad school and that's the only point to be taken from it.

Selinus University does not hold any accreditations with real weight.

They don't hold real accreditation at all. WCI is an fake accreditor. Have you actually checked WCI? They claim to accredit the following schools:

Arizona State University
Auburn University
Baylor University
Binghamton University
Boston College
Boston University
Brandeis University
Brigham Young University
Brown University
California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
Carnegie Mellon University
Case Western Reserve University
City University of New York
Clark University
Clemson University
College of William & Mary
Colorado State University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Drexel University
Duke University
Emory University
Florida State University
Fordham University
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Georgia Institute of Technology (Georgia Tech)
Georgia State University
Harvard University
Howard University
Illinois Institute of Technology
Indiana University Bloomington
Iowa State University
Johns Hopkins University
Lehigh University
Louisiana State University
Loyola University Chicago
Marquette University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Michigan State University
Missouri University of Science and Technology
New York University (NYU)
North Carolina State University
Princeton University
Stanford University

Source: https://www.worldcertification.org/accreditation-of-courses/accredited-organizations 

I can assure the public that WCI does not accredit any of those schools, lol. They just dumped as many prestigious school names into their database that they could think of, lol. WCI is a fake accreditor. Selinus is claiming fake accreditation. Any school claiming fake accreditation should be avoided like the plague for reasons that should be obvious. Period, end of story. 

Selinus' accreditation page is the typical overselling that mills do: they stuff the page with a ton of organizations that have no recognized accreditation authority in order to fool unsuspecting people who don't know better. I've seen this over and over again for many years.

I suppose accreditation that predates the regional accreditation system would be considered "fake" by overly pompous.

Nonsensical strawman argument, lol. That one actually made me laugh.

It is not a degree mill, according to multiple alumni.

Right, because as we know, the alumni of such outfits are never biased, nor do they have a vested interest in legitimizing their decision.

The degrees they offer are titulo propios and students have to sign a form acknowledging that prior to being admitted, rendering the concept of accreditation moot.

Yeah, I mean, signing a form definitely makes everything legitimate. Claiming accreditation from the unrecognized AAHEA certainly isn't a problem. Claiming accreditation from the WCI, another unrecognized accreditor, is no issue either. Yep, because signing a form makes everything with that all better...

People that actually attended the university have great things to say about their doctoral experience and support they received from Selinus' staff. Alumni strongly recommend it for people looking for an affordable school to pursue learning for the love of learning. It took all of about 5 seconds to find many such accounts. Here is one. https://www.reddit.com/r/PhD/comments/ik...ure_worth/

Right, because as we know, the alumni of such outfits are never biased, nor do they have a vested interest in legitimizing their decision. Plus, Reddit is always a trustworthy source for education matters.

If you're going to crap on someone's honest effort to contribute to the community in bad faith, at least have the decency to make sure you do so in a way that is factually accurate.

SIGH. 

I've been in these spaces for a very long time now. What you just did is wash, rinse, repeat. I've seen it thousands of times. This isn't about me doing anything to anyone, it's about being honest and providing accurate information which I absolutely have. You don't possess the knowledge of the education system to understand why what I said is fact and why what you said is complete nonsense. But I can assure you that any education forum worth its salt is going to have members pop up and tell you the exact same things I did.

A wiki should be about providing helpful information. Directing people to unaccredited diploma mills claiming fake and/or unrecognized accreditation—or using religious exemptions to get around accreditation—is the exact opposite of that, so hopefully people with access to the wiki will prevent bad information from staying. ENEB already has enough image issues at this point (and it's entirely their own fault). It doesn't need a wiki further hurting them, too.