ENEB Master Thread

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Continuing education seems to be a fair option to me, to be honest.  There's not much instruction going on.  You are mostly on your own to read and find relevant videos - then write a paper about a specific situation/topic.  I am treating this as a personal study.  

Also, titulos de propios is not considered part of formal education in Spain.  As someone said above, the closest comparison might be RA vs NA.  The private sector can accept it for employment purposes, but it won't get you into a doctoral program nor be recognized for employment in the government sector in Spain.

https://acei-global.blog/2015/05/28/spai...lo-propio/

Do I consider the ENEB experience just continuing education?  No.  You are treating it as a personal study.  That's great for you, but don't limit what the degree has been certified to be.  

If given an opportunity to learn by andragogy at this point in my life and career journey, that is the best path for me.  I'm not out to impress anyone or try and dupe an American program in furtherance of Academia or be persuaded by the scary "publish or perish" elephant in the room; and, I am certainly not out to pursue employment in Spain.

Yes, that is how I am using it.  But if you look at the link that I shared, it tells you clearly how the degree is used is Spain.  It is not intended for entrance to a doctoral program nor for any type of government job.  It is intended for private employment.   I also read a similar statement in materials I received directly from ENEB.

So, if the intention in Spain is for Private employers to determine if it meets their criteria, then we can treat it the same way.  If you are looking for work in the private sector, list it on your resume and let the employer decide if the degree works for them.  If you want to get in to a doctoral program or government job in the US, you may need to get an additional masters from an RA school.

ACEI is a member of NACES, which is a trade association. Its entire purpose is to represent the interests of the US higher education system when it comes to FCEs. They act as a protectionist guild so that the US higher education industry doesn't lose money due to people opting for much more affordable foreign degrees. Just because their position is that ENEB master's degrees aren't equivalent to a US master's degree doesn't mean that it's true. Canada, and several other countries, evaluate ENEB master's degrees to be full master's degrees in their respective countries.

Also, you seem to think that employment in the private sector is of lower status than employment in government, so that makes ENEB master's degrees less desirable. That is NOT how they are treated in Spain. They are esteemed the same as official degrees; there is no stigma to having a Master Propio degree in Spain. It just depends on what the STUDENT plans to do with it. For those who don't want to work for the government, there is no need to get an official degree - a professional terminal master's degree is just fine. This is exactly what our ENEB degrees are.

If you're thinking these degrees are less esteemed in Spain because of the cost, then you clearly don't know much about them. We, here in the US, get a massive discount on the cost. However, people in Spain pay 7,600 EUR ($8,439 USD) for just the MBA alone. Do you really think that someone would pay that much money for a degree that has no real utility? (rhetorical question, no answer needed)

Lastly, as I said in another post, every college degree awarded in the USA is by ACEI's definition a propio degree, because colleges and universities choose which degrees to offer and the corresponding curriculums and methods of study. And there are still schools in the US (Brigham Young University comes to mind) where independent learners can take asynchronous learning courses, just like we're taking, for academic credit. 

I didn't mean to write so much, but the elitism and prejudice against these degrees aggravates me so much, especially because all these red herring arguments have been debunked so many times and some people just want to believe the worst because of the degree's price. It has to stop. It's a "cheap degree" for us, but not for the Spanish.