ENEB Master Thread

[michaeladsmith2]

Okay, I have a lot to say on this one.

If credits were calculated 1:1 (which we know they aren't when it comes to these conversions from many evaluators), the MBA from ENEB would be equal to 39 U.S. credits (13 courses, 3 credits each). They took that and condensed it down into 30. By that logic the MBCC would be 27.5 credits in the U.S. (11 courses, 2.5 each when converted by ECE), but that's a confused concept, because if the goal is to fit each degree program into a 1-year conversion, then the MBCC would have to have each course be about 2.73 credits per course instead of 2.5 in order to reach the 30 credit U.S. conversion they're rigidly trying to fit the degrees into, but we all know ECE won't do that and we have proof because the report they gave shows it as 2.5. So they're contradicting their own system in the same report. But it gets worse because here is where ECE is going off the rails:

When one year of study is calculated, it's calculated as an estimate of how much time all studies in a given degree program would take to complete, but each course is not chained to that estimate, that's not how it works. Credits aren't based on whether you took them in one year or more or less, that's not how credits work. Credits for a single course are based on the amount of hours estimated to complete that single course, and that's the same when calculating per course for every other course in a degree program, it's not calculated per calendar year since in theory and in practice a student can finish an entire degree program in less than a year (it's been done many times) or more than a year (been done many more times, lol). Their logic on that is totally flawed. What they're doing here is just applying a blanket rule without considering nuance in a situation where nuance should absolutely always be considered. The big question is, why do they feel the need to apply this rule? What purpose does it even serve (see further questioning in bold).

I guess all that can really be done is to see how the schools will apply the credits, but ECE's reasoning on foreign degrees continues to be questionable and this response only furthers that issue. It's simply unnecessary to shave credits in a rigid manner especially when the reason for doing it is logically flawed: each course is still one course, so awarding it 3 credits is not going to give a person more useable transfer credit (which seems to be part of their sticking point on what they don't want to do) because no matter what it's still being transferred as just one course. Think about it: whether you award the course 3 credits or 4, that one course can only transfer as one course, that's why shaving is nonsensical. What the shaving actually does is just open the door for schools to reject the credits, and I believe ECE knows exactly that despite what they wrote there as a justification.

Lastly, I don't care for the tone with which the evaluator wrote back. It has a bit of an air of combativeness. He needs some training in communication. It comes across like he's replying in a debate which wouldn't make sense in this context. There are better ways to write that and convey the same message to a paying customer.

OMG, I can absolutely write a dissertation in response! I TOTALLY agree with EVERYTHING you've conveyed. One of the reasons I shared ALL of this with the community is so that we can get a great and wonderful debate and response JUST LIKE THIS! It's a cautionary tale for me as I spent the $255 and, by and large, will get my credits (though shaved), accepted by TESU and/or Excelsior. But, it's also a warning to others who are availing themselves of the ENEB programs. Evaluators are NOT all made the same and ECE has proven that their rationale for the report they gave me and subsequent response when the customer challenged them, is wholly inadequate. 

While yes, I "rushed" or had the time to complete the 13 + 6 ENEB Courses in approximately 14 months, ENEB DOES give EVERY student 18 months per Masters, with an automatic extension to 24 months if you do the MBA+Masters. And like me, if you add 1 or 2 more, I have until Fall 2025 to complete the programs I signed up for. Everyone knows that while ECE can suggest that its a "1-year" program of study, most US school don't allow students to complete a 36-credit MBA in 1 "calendar" year. You are often limited to 6 or 9 credits PER SEMESTER in graduate schools, which is considered full time. That translates to 4 full semesters or 16 months. And if you add a "double-masters" as my program offered, it can be up to 6 or 7 semesters. 

So I, like you, don't understand where they get this idea that the ENEB program is 1-year, so let's evaluate it as 1 year or 30 credits, AND in order to do so, let's shave off .5 credits per ENEB course. 

As far as his email, ECE has no way for me to respond directly to the sender. They make it so that the customer (happy or not) has no way to respond or ask for a refund based on the "shaving off" of credits. You simply get what they give you and that's it! Use it or don't use it, that's not our problem!

This is the reason why ALL of us stay on this forum and try to help each other out and share our experiences. Now you know how ECE is concerning ENEB. It's bittersweet. I can certainly take more courses and build up more credits for a new ECE evaluation (for my own personal goals with TESU or Excelsior). But it also informs others so they can make a choice to go with another NACES Evaluator..based on what they're looking for. 

Some want graduate-level credits (for transfer). Some want graduate-certificate level (for admissions or transfer). Some want undergraduate (upper division credits), like me. And others want a straight US equivalent Masters (for Doctoral or Law School Admissions). Whatever the goal, choose your NACES Evaluator carefully.

Lastly, because I paid for it, ECE will mail this Report to TESU ($45)...$30 for the official paper copy report & $15 for USPS Priority Mail. As soon as I get my second TESU Degree Audit/Evaluation, I will share with you all how TESU evaluated and applied these credits to my BALS or BSBA degrees. They did recommend that I change my major from the Liberal Arts to the Business Admin. We will see how these ENEB courses apply to the program. I await!