ENEB Master Thread

[michaeladsmith2]

Per my last post, here is the response from ECE in having my Course-by-Course FCE Report reevaluated (concerning the 2.50 credits for each ENEB course). 

Dear Michael SMITH,

Thank you for your recent request to review the evaluation report, Reference Number F54734/JPM.

I have reviewed the evaluation report, the information which you provided, and the information and resources used in preparing the evaluation report. Based on this review, I have determined that the conclusions of the evaluation report prepared for you correctly convey our judgment.

Each of the programs that you completed represents one year of full-time study.  In the United States, one year of full-time study represents approximately 30 semester hours of credit.  For this reason, our report shows the U.S. equivalent of approximately 30 semester hours of credit for each one-year program that you completed (the second item includes duplicate content based on course overlap, and therefore the credit total is lower).

Contrary to your statement, not all credit values in the United States are standard 3-credit values, nor whole numbers.  Institutions use a variety of credit systems, including the quarter system, which result in variable credit values (including fractional values) when converted to a semester credit system or other.  In addition, foreign credit systems rarely correspond to or equate with the U.S. semester credit system, and institutions in the U.S. routinely convert credits which do not represent whole numbers.  This also results in fractional credit values, which U.S. institutions are equipped to handle.  Typically, a university will consider transfer (assuming course content is a match) credit values that are within 1.00 credit of the course to which they are comparing at their institution.  

In other words, a 2.50-credit course is likely transferable to its 3.0-credit counterpart course if the content matches.  Transfer decisions vary among institutions according to their policies, and you would need to confirm this with the institutions that you wish to pursue.  It is certainly not true that overseas accredited institutions should have the U.S. equivalent of only three-credit courses; in fact, only a small minority of them do because of the differences in institutions, programs, and credit requirements.

In summary, no change will be made to the evaluation report.

Sincerely,

James Meyers
Senior Evaluator

 
Educational Credential Evaluators, Inc. 
101 W Pleasant St, STE 200
Milwaukee WI 53212-3963 

Thoughts: 

1. I will see from Excelsior & TESU if these credits will do as he says, "be accepted as 3-credits into the course counterpart."

2. Obviously, every evaluator is different. It gets expensive to spend upwards of $200 a piece to see which FCE gives you what you desire for the academic/transfer plan you have. My purpose is entirely to use ENEB courses for undergraduate degree completion; and it seems TESU & Excelsior are amicable to ECE's Report. I may even send my report to Oakwood University where I have 60 credits there as well. 

3. It seems that I will need to complete my additional ENEB Masters (I already signed up for, and paid) - the MHRM and the MPM - with maybe another Masters in order to meet MORE ECE credits. Based on the math, it would seem that if I complete a total of 30 ENEB Modules, at 2.50 credits, I would then achieve 75 semester credits! And since I already have over 60 credits in both TESU and Excelsior, I could more than meet the completion of a BALS or BSBA. It's cheaper to pay ENEB for Modules/Masters than to pay ANY USA College/University for these Business courses. 

Your thoughts and feedback are welcomed. Be kind and be respectful.

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Oh, I shouldn't have used the term pre-assessments.  What I meant to say was IEE gave me feedback about the Titulo Propio before submitting one to be evaluated saying that they would likely give it an equivalent of a graduate certificate and/or graduate credit hours. They even explained why they would evaluate like that since the Titulo Propio is not an official Masters degree as well as not designed to enter a Doctorate program.   All the other evaluators just side-step the question and ask you to submit your credentials.  I consider that a pre-assessment to me but only informally.

 Yea, I dealt with that twice today. It's so risky because you really don't know which evaluator will give you what you want. They want the money first, whether or not the Report works for you. They don't provide a history or institutional list or any form of customer (prior reports) testimonies to ensure you are paying for the correct service and you get the results you want. 

I REALLY did not want to pay $255 to ECE for them to tell me some garbage! The only mistake I made was I should have completed ALL my courses at ENEB before submitting my request so that everything would be evaluated at once. Now I have to spend another ($275 to $400+) once I complete everything, because Excelsior ONLY accepts the ECE Subject Analysis Report. So I'll have to pay again in order to get (hopefully 30 ENEB courses @ 2.50 = 75 credits) evaluated and accepted. 

Lasty, I don't concern myself with Spain's or the FCE's policies on Titulo Propio degrees. Here in the USA and around the world, admissions to Doctoral Programs with your ENEB Masters is entirely up to the institution. As I said before, University of La Verne College of Law accepted my ENEB MBA as a BA in Business Administration-equivalent and I was able to apply with no further question of my academics. I'm currently in a PsyD Program because of my ENEB MBA, and may even pursue the DBA. So, ENEB does give you MANY options. Graduates just need to research and find their place in a school or program that fits their needs. It may not be Harvard; but it can be a state-school, international school or private Liberal Arts University that welcomes ENEB.

I emailed WES and they had a similar response about my partner's evaluation from the Phillippines although his was even worse with taking off one credit per every class... 3 to 2 and 2 to 1.   They didn't give an explanation other than they are fitting it into a one year credit frame just like yours.    What I do like about FCE's stance as well as the stance of the colleges and universities is that it is up to the institution of how they want to interpret the credits and grades.   Institutions are not required to follow a FCE's recommendation.   

The Titulo Propio degrees are relevant and useful.  Many universities will accept them as admission into their Doctoral Programs even without a FCE and even more will accept them for employment at the state and federal level.  It's all about knowing where you want to go and getting in with the right folks at these institutions.  If they want you, they'll find a way to take you.  If they don't, they'll find a way to deny you.

 Totally agree!