(12-07-2018, 02:47 AM)armstrongsubero Wrote: I'm not arguing, seriously, thats wjy I left the CJ major everything is an argument based on falicies.
Lets think logically okay? How did the uni get its data? Was it qualitiative? Quantitative? In one state where the uni is located or was it across the country?
Well if a local university did a survey on current employees in lets say my local comm and telcom industries about which majors are popular in those fields CIS and IT would be a huge percent more then EEs adn CE majors! Since here CIS and IT is offered everywhere and is way more popular than CS. Most people dont knoe CS, they call everything IT. So when the Irish based Digicel came here and regional Bmobile started IT and CIS was the talent available, so they hired those persons and trained them to do the more EE and Comm related stuff. Now it the Uni says oh a CIS or IT degree gets you into the telcom industry. They wont be wrong.
Universites are not trade schools and everyone misses that. Universities educate you. The end goal of universities is to get a PhD and add new knowledge to the field. It all leads up to that. Yes every company wants that bachelors or masters for thr job, but universites dont care about that!
You really think a CJ program can prepare you for the academy!? No it does not! It gives you ideas on things but it cant prepare you for induction training.
What it can do is come up with a new theory as to how the socioeconomic status of officers affects their performance at the academy.
If the law enforment agency needs to consult someone on a developing a new training program, who will they consult? The high school grad with 20 years experience? Or the professor who did his thesis on training and teaches graduate level courses on the topic?
Isn't ACE an academic body that verfies workforce training and work experience? So who knows more? The body stating that you know what you are doing, or the guy doing the thing?
I get mad at this cause everyone says that Unis dont prepare you for the job. They're not meant too! Lets say you learn web development with ruby on rails and todat we use node.js will it be helpful!? No it will not! But a uni teaches you the knowledge needed to form an abstract point of view understand the principles of constructing interfaces and engineering principles for scaling and what not.
So if in 10 years we get a holographic interface, you know what!? You will know jow to learn it! Becuase you know concepts.
I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. You posted a university's opinion about which degrees prepare you for which jobs. Now, you're arguing that universities don't provide job training. As I said earlier, universities provide you with basic skills similar to you talking about concepts. My answer is still, no. An IS program will neither provide you with the basic skills nor the concepts to become an actuary any more than a degree in IT.
I'm also not sure what you're responding to in my post. I said that my professors said that a CJ degree will make you more competitive at civil service departments; they are wrong. It does not make you more competitive because civil service departments are required by law to interview candidates in the order of their test scores. The law enforcement academy is a different topic, especially considering that many police departments hire cadets with the intention of putting them through the academy. They don't select everyone who meets the minimum requirements, so you still need to find a way to make yourself competitive.
Sure, a professor would be consulted on how the socioeconomic status of a cadet affects performance in an academy. What does that have to do with the professor knowing very little about how the job market works? Research has been done on the education levels of police officers, and it shows that most police officers do not have a bachelor's degree. Once again, my CJ professors are clueless.
ACE determines whether workforce training is worth academic credit; it does not say that you are qualified to do your job. I don't know what this has to do with anything, though.
When I decided to apply to University of Florida's medical science program, I knew what it could and could not do for me based on the curriculum. Their website says that people with this degree can work as pathologist's assistants. No, they cannot. There is no arguing this. In order to become certified as a pathologist's assistant, you need to complete an NAACLS-accredited pathologist's assistant program. A 100% online program in medical science/forensic medicine not only does not qualify for ASCP certification, but it does not have the hands-on training that is required to even begin doing an entry-level job.
Because Liberty University is offering a $30k scholarship, I filled out a contact form about their MBA in Accounting. They told me that I could become a CPA if I complete their online MS in Accounting. No, I cannot. Texas requires 15 accounting credits to be taken butt-in-seat. There's no debating this. But, it's really not the university's job to fully understand the job market in every state. Students need to do their own research instead of relying on faulty information and generalities on university websites.
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MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc