(06-29-2018, 01:21 PM)dfrecore Wrote:(06-29-2018, 12:52 PM)sanantone Wrote:(06-29-2018, 10:51 AM)videogamesrock Wrote: I get it. It’s all about discrimination.
Illegal immigration creates a large pool of unskilled labor suppressing job entry for youths and those with limited work experience. It's a large supply of people chasing a limited quantity of jobs.
Yes, I'm totally against minimum wage increases and I am for organic wage increases from free markets. High minimum wage increases make it harder for entry-level workers to market themselves. Like in Europe where young people often work unpaid internships to gain experience.
The babysitting example was to explain how people can get priced out of the market when the government determines wages instead of two people agreeing on a fee, it has nothing to do if someone has a Ph.D. in Awesome.
I feel like I've given you plenty to work with here about free markets. If it still doesn't make any sense then I can't help you.
Hiring illegal immigrants is actually the free market system at work. Making it illegal to hire people who don't have a work visa, permanent residence, or citizenship is a regulation. Americans don't want to pick fruits and vegetables in the hot sun. That's truth. The state of Texas can't even fill its correctional officer positions. At one point, they were hiring immigrants to fill those positions. Corrections officers were getting paid about $32k at that time, and they still pay no premiums for their health insurance. People simply just don't want to work in corrections.
If you drop the minimum wage to employ more people, then that does not do anything for increasing wages. Anyway, any smart company will do whatever possible to have as few employees as possible. Automation and AI are going to take more jobs than anything else.
Do you know how terribly workers did before minimum wage laws and extensive labor regulations? Have you ever read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair?
We're too good to pick fruit, but a Mexican immigrant isn't? That sounds a bit racist to me. I know you aren't, but if you listen to your words, it could certainly be consrtued that way.
How can it be construed that way? It's very simple. Americans don't want to work out in the hot sun. That says nothing about Americans being "too good" to work out in the hot sun. They might think they are too good for those jobs, but I don't think they are. I've worked 12-hour shifts out in the hot sun. That statement actually implies that Americans are kind of lazy and don't like to get dirty. No offense, but "do jobs Americans don't want to do" is a common phrase, so anyone who watches the news or pays attention to politics periodically knows what that statement means. It would only be misconstrued as racist through poor comprehension.
How much an employer pays is also limited by how much customers are willing to pay. Taxpayers in Texas want people locked up, but they don't want to pay corrections officers $40k per year. McDonald's customers don't want to pay $5 for a double cheeseburger that usually costs $1.50 or $2.
(06-29-2018, 02:52 PM)icampy Wrote: Interesting arguments.
I'm just here to add: in the local town of 1500 people, starting pay at mcdonalds is $15.00. Yes, in an area with very low cost of living, burger flippers make 15 an hour.
They had trouble keeping it staffed. Not sure what about the west Texas demographics or situation make that an issue, but it is. I would have killed to make 15 an hour as a 16 year old.
But, they maintain staff at 15 an hour. They kept bumping it up until they could maintain employees, and 15 is what it took.
McDonald's locations that are near booming oil fields pay more due to worker shortages. They also have a huge customer base with high salaries because these areas tend to be remote. BUT, $15 an hour doesn't go very far in North Dakota where there are a lot of oil jobs because housing costs are so high.
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