(06-27-2018, 12:34 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: My point about SL was that they succumb to the laws of the free market. Traditional schools do not, they receive subsidies, they have regulation, tenure, and FAFSA which drives up prices. If you remove all of those barriers they would adjust their model to become closer aligned to what you see from SL or fail which is good also. Technology has always reduced cost and SL is a clear example of how you can run collegiate level courses for a fraction of the cost.
Come on, now. We all know how SL works. As long as you Google all the questions for the quizzes, you can get a zero on the final and still pass.
(06-27-2018, 12:40 PM)davewill Wrote:(06-26-2018, 08:42 PM)cookderosa Wrote: I am saying that having a chance to go attend college is separate and apart from how someone pays for college.
A distinction without any meaning in my book.
(06-26-2018, 08:42 PM)cookderosa Wrote: There are 1200 open enrollment community colleges in this country that EVERYONE can attend. Walk in and sign up. Access is already in place.
If I walked into any community college in my state, I could register for 30 credits per year and I would get a $4000 Pell Refund for each and every year that I attended. I could even earn a second associate and stretch it out a few years. Each state will differ, but every state has open enrollment community college, and you don't even have to have graduated high school to start. We don't have an access problem.
Yes, I would agree that for two year degrees, the system works fairly well. NOT because there's no aid, but because they are public colleges that are funded decently (in some places). I would love to see our 4 year public universities be as affordable and plentiful. THEN we could talk about reducing or eliminating other forms of aid. But to suggest, as some have done here, that eliminating aid would automatically fix everything is silly.
Yes! The community colleges that the conservatives here love so much are one of the largest socialist institutions in the U.S. They are cheap because they are heavily subsidized by states, cities, and counties.
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MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
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Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
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Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
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SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc