08-03-2011, 01:22 AM
I have been traveling these last few days and didn't make it to a computer much. How this discussion has evolved!
Frankie: sorry to hear about your situation and yes I have heard of WWII. And would you really pay higher taxes so that everyone could have a job? That sounds like communism. Pay a ton of taxes but then the government gives you everything you could ever need. Didn't work for the USSR.
Ryoder, I have to say that I agree with a lot of your points. Especially your post about not needing to justify laying off employees. I do not see how loyalty could possibly figure into a situation like that. Maybe loyalty to a company was worth something long ago but that is clearly no longer the case. Also the liberals...you are correct there.
This statement assumes that your generation had zero people living with their parents or off of the government for years at a time if not their entire lives.
As for the lack of jobs, I am not sure what markets are being discussed but there seem to be plenty of jobs in the Phoenix metro area. There are plenty of jobs in many disciplines advertised on USAJobs (Fed jobs) and the State of AZ job website.
As for the private sector there are tons of jobs on careerbuilder, phoenix.jobing.com, and linkup (not linkedin) but those are only the tip of the iceberg. During my transition class they spent a great deal of time teaching us how to job hunt. One of the statistics that was cited was that only 7% of all open positions are advertised either in print or online, with the obvious exception of government jobs that are required to be posted. So for every job you see online there are at least ten more unadvertised, but finding these will require 'pounding the pavement.'
If nothing else works out then every security company in Phoenix seems to be hiring a ton of Guards. These jobs only pay about 10-16 per hour but they require little training (usually company provided) and one can get to work very quickly. Got a BA/BS in anything at all? Enterprise Rent a Car can't seem to find enough applicants for their management training program.
If folks are located in a place where there are not this many jobs available maybe it is time to move.
Perhaps extending jobless benefits time and time again was worse thing the gov't could have done. Could it be possible that a lot of the unemployed are holding out for a 'good' job and refuse to take a lower position? Would some people rather not work at all if they cant wear a suit and tie than be a security guard or flip burgers?
Frankie: sorry to hear about your situation and yes I have heard of WWII. And would you really pay higher taxes so that everyone could have a job? That sounds like communism. Pay a ton of taxes but then the government gives you everything you could ever need. Didn't work for the USSR.
Ryoder, I have to say that I agree with a lot of your points. Especially your post about not needing to justify laying off employees. I do not see how loyalty could possibly figure into a situation like that. Maybe loyalty to a company was worth something long ago but that is clearly no longer the case. Also the liberals...you are correct there.
lindagerr Wrote:So you tell me when the kids my son went to school with get new fancy cars every 2 years live home with Mommy and Daddy until they are 30 years old and are satisfied to collect unemployment for 6-30 months "because we can". Who is the entitled generation?
At least my generation worked many years BEFORE we thought we were entitled to anything.
This statement assumes that your generation had zero people living with their parents or off of the government for years at a time if not their entire lives.
As for the lack of jobs, I am not sure what markets are being discussed but there seem to be plenty of jobs in the Phoenix metro area. There are plenty of jobs in many disciplines advertised on USAJobs (Fed jobs) and the State of AZ job website.
As for the private sector there are tons of jobs on careerbuilder, phoenix.jobing.com, and linkup (not linkedin) but those are only the tip of the iceberg. During my transition class they spent a great deal of time teaching us how to job hunt. One of the statistics that was cited was that only 7% of all open positions are advertised either in print or online, with the obvious exception of government jobs that are required to be posted. So for every job you see online there are at least ten more unadvertised, but finding these will require 'pounding the pavement.'
If nothing else works out then every security company in Phoenix seems to be hiring a ton of Guards. These jobs only pay about 10-16 per hour but they require little training (usually company provided) and one can get to work very quickly. Got a BA/BS in anything at all? Enterprise Rent a Car can't seem to find enough applicants for their management training program.
If folks are located in a place where there are not this many jobs available maybe it is time to move.
Perhaps extending jobless benefits time and time again was worse thing the gov't could have done. Could it be possible that a lot of the unemployed are holding out for a 'good' job and refuse to take a lower position? Would some people rather not work at all if they cant wear a suit and tie than be a security guard or flip burgers?
BA/Liberal Studies, TESC 2011
AAS/Applied Electronic Studies, TESC 2010
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