TESU BALS-Please review

[SA4578]

Hello. 

I received my eval from TESU, and they've got SDC Organizational Theory "under review". I was counting on this for UL, and regardless that it's still on the SDC website and ACE recommended, the advisor told me that it likely will come back as LL. I'm not happy about this. 

I'm wasting so many credits (not included at the bottom) that I'm now wondering if I would do better with COSC? I have a PMP, and I believe they will award 9 SH in PM courses for that. 

Thank you so much for your time looking at this!

Provider Course Title Course Number/ TESU Course Number
CC Prin of Acct I ACC111 /ACC181
CC Prin of ACCT II ACC112 /ACC182
CC Prin of ACCT III ACC113/ ACC183
ACE Death Inv TEEX0300 /AOJ340
CC Medical Termin MST105 /APS100
CC Fund A&P BIO 105/ BIO210
CC Business Math MTH106 /BUS161
ACE CSM Course CSML-0001 /BUS210
CC Beg Spreadsheet ITS12S /CAP113
ACE Intro to IT SOPH0023/ CIS107
CC Phlebotomy MLT116 /CLB102
CC Phleb Lab MLT117 /CLB199
CC Interpersonal Com COM111 /COM230
ACE Visual Comm SOPH0009/ COM231
SDC Pres. Skills in wkplc /COM290
ACE Conflict Res SOPH0007 /COM299
CC Intro ECG MST171/ CVT111
ACE Cyber Law TEEX0277 /CYB121
ACE Cyber Eth TEEX0278 /CYB122
ACE Macro SOPH0012 /ECO111
ACE Micro SOPH0011 /ECO112
CC English I Eng111 /ENC101
CC ENG II ENG112 /ENC102
ACE Environmental Scie SOPH0016/ ENS200
CC CPR EMS171 /HEA197
CC Intro HC Deliv. MST101/ HEA221
ACE US History I SOPH0022 /HIS113
ACE US History II SOPH0025/ HIS114
CC Brit Lit to 170 ENG 261 /Lit208
CC Orient Med Ass MAS101 /MOA101
CC Medical Admin II MAS113 /MOA102
CC Medical Admin MAS103/ MOA103
CC Medical Law Eth MAS102 /MOA131
CC Clin Direct Prac MAS117/ MOA153
CC Exam room I MAS104 /MOA199
CC Exam Room II MAS114/ MOA199
CC Lab Med MAS115 /MOA199
CC Clin Persp Seminar MAS118 /MOA199
CC Found. Client Care MST104 /MOA199
CC Pharm MAS116 /PHA101
ACE Ancient Greek Phil SOPH-0027/ PHIL226
ACE Ethics and CPCU AICP-0121/ PHIL288
CC American Natl gov PLS110 /POS110
CC Psychology I PSY111 /PSY101
SDC Organizational Theory Business 323/ PSY360
ACE Approaches to Rel SOPH-0008 /REL100
CC Beg Word Proc ITS 12W /SES131
ACE Intro to SOC SOPH0004/ SOC101
ACE Intro to Statistics SOPH0005 /STA201

These were not included in my degree plan:
CC Prin of Acct I ACC111 /ACC181
CC Prin of ACCT II ACC112 /ACC182
CC Prin of ACCT III ACC113/ ACC183
CC Medical Termin MST105/ APS100
CC Business Math MTH106 /BUS161
ACE Cyber Law TEEX0277 /CYB121
CC CPR EMS171/ HEA197
CC Clin Persp Seminar MAS118 /MOA199
CC Beg Word Proc ITS 12W /SES131


Semester Hours (SH) Required: 120.32
SH Applied to Degree: 93.33
SH Remaining: 26.99
SH To Be Planned: 26.99
Thomas Edison State University GPA Needed: 2.000
Thomas Edison State University GPA Earned:
Overall Degree GPA Needed: 2.000
Overall Degree GPA Requirement Met: Yes
Community College SH (90 SH Maximum): 43.33

[bjcheung77]

That's a pretty good evaluation already you got there, sometimes courses retain their UL and sometimes it gets dropped, and some LL get bumped up to UL, it all depends on what ACE recommends and what TESU does with that recommendation - follow it or go with their own evaluation. It's not TESU's fault they have to follow rules... I would give them some slack for now and see what options would be workable...

As a favor for myself and others who would like to help you further, since you already have an academic evaluation, it's easier to view what's needed/remaining by copy/pasting your evaluation or pasting it into a pdf or having a screenshot, so we can quickly look at it and give you a prompter reply... Last but not least, One thing to note, if you go COSC, it maybe cheaper, but the headache of getting 30 UL credits vs 18 at TESU may NOT be worth it...

[SA4578]

That's a pretty good evaluation already you got there, sometimes courses retain their UL and sometimes it gets dropped, and some LL get bumped up to UL, it all depends on what ACE recommends and what TESU does with that recommendation - follow it or go with their own evaluation.  It's not TESU's fault they have to follow rules... I would give them some slack for now and see what options would be workable...

As a favor for myself and others who would like to help you further, since you already have an academic evaluation, it's easier to view what's needed/remaining by copy/pasting your evaluation or pasting it into a pdf or having a screenshot, so we can quickly look at it and give you a prompter reply...  Last but not least, One thing to note, if you go COSC, it maybe cheaper, but the headache of getting 30 UL credits vs 18 at TESU may NOT be worth it...

You're totally right! I'm just frustrated and not as close to finished as I'd like. Here goes:

These institutions/organizations are those from which credit has been applied toward your degree requirements. Use the number next to the institution in this list to identify the original source of a transfer course on your Academic Evaluation.

Program Summary: (In Progress)
!! Exception: The total number of semester hours required for your degree program has increased to balance/account for extra semester hour(s) applied to other specific requirements or sections.
Semester Hours (SH) Required: 120.32
SH Applied to Degree: 93.33
SH Remaining: 26.99
SH To Be Planned: 26.99
Thomas Edison State University GPA Needed: 2.000
Thomas Edison State University GPA Earned:
Overall Degree GPA Needed: 2.000
Overall Degree GPA Requirement Met: Yes
Community College SH (90 SH Maximum): 43.33

Program Requirements:
1: BA General Education (60 SH) (In progress)
SH Earned: 48.01 Complete all 5 subrequirements:

A: INTEL & PRACT SKILLS (In progress)
For all TESU course options that will satisfy this area of the degree, go to Intellectual and Practical Skills Courses

SH Earned: 11.34

Written Communication 3SH (Complete)
!! Exception This degree requirement has been satisfied with less semester hours than required. The remaining credit will be made up in a related section.

Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
2 ENG111 English I 12/15/02 A 2.67 ENC-101
*CC *TE
Written Communication 3SH (Complete)
!! Exception This degree requirement has been satisfied with less semester hours than required. The remaining credit will be made up in a related section.

2 ENG112 English II 01/15/03 C 2.67 ENC-102
*CC *TE
Oral Communication 3SH (Complete)
Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC) option: COM-209 Public Speaking
3 COM-290 Presentational Speaking 10/26/20 CR 3.00 COM-290
*NE
Quantitative Literacy 3SH (Complete)
Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC) option: MAT-121 College Algebra
1 BUS-210 Quantitative Skills Business 09/25/20 CR 3.00 BUS-210
*NE
Information Literacy 3SH (INSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT) (Not started)
To meet this requirement, students MUST take SOS-110 Critical Information Literacy at Thomas Edison State University.

3 credits needed
B: CIV & GLOBAL LDRSHP (Complete)
For all TESU course options that will satisfy this area of the degree, go to Civic and Global Leadership Courses

SH Earned: 8

Diversity Intercultural Literacy 3SH (Complete)

Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
1 SOC-101 Introduction to Sociology 10/03/20 CR 3.00 SOC-101
*NE
Ethical Leadership 3SH (Complete)
Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC) option: ETH-230 Ethics in a Digital Age
1 PHI-288 Professional Ethics 10/02/20 CR 3.00 PHI-288
*NE
Civic Engagement 3SH (Complete)
!! Exception This degree requirement has been satisfied with less semester hours than required. The remaining credit will be made up in a related section.
Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC) option: POS-110 American Government (Students pursuing the BA in Political Science should select a different course to satisfy the Civic Engagement requirement.)
2 PLS110 American National Government 05/15/03 C 2.00 POS-110
*CC *TE
C: KNOWLDG HUMAN CULTRS (Complete)
For all TESU course options that will satisfy this area of the degree, go to Knowledge of Human Cultures Courses

Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC) options, include but are not limited to:

HIS-114 American History II (Students pursuing a BA in History should select GOG-230 World Geography)

LIB-342 Online Obsessions: Determining and Dealing with Digital Dependency

PHI-130 Critical Reasoning

PSY-305 Brain and Mind
Humanities and/or Social Sciences 12SH
SH Earned: 12
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
1 HIS-113 American History I 10/05/20 CR 3.00 HIS-113
*NE
1 REL-100 Introduction to Religion 10/06/20 CR 3.00 REL-100
*NE
1 ECO-111 Macroeconomics 10/11/20 CR 3.00 ECO-111
*NE
1 ECO-112 Microeconomics 10/12/20 CR 3.00 ECO-112
*NE
D: UNDRST PHYS&NAT WRLD (Complete)
For all TESU course options that will satisfy this area of the degree, go to Understanding the Physical and Natural World Courses
Natural Sciences 4SH
SH Earned: 5.67
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
1 CIS-107 Computer Concepts and Appl 10/04/20 CR 3.00 CIS-107
*NE
2 BIO105 Intro to Anatomy & Physio 08/15/08 B 2.67 BIO-210
*CC *TE
E: GE ELECTIVES (In progress)
GEN ED ELECTIVES:
For all TESU course options that will satisfy this area of the degree, go to General Education Elective Courses.

To identify which of these courses is Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC), go to Zero Textbook Cost (ZTC) Courses.
!! Exception 19.99 sh needed here due to quarter hour credit in Gen Ed Area
General Education Electives 20SH
SH Earned: 11
Required: 19.99
Remaining: 8.99
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
1 HIS-114 American History II 10/18/20 CR 3.00 HIS-114
*NE
1 CYB-122 Ethical Aspects of Cybersecuri 09/28/20 CR 2.00 CYB-122
*NE
2 PSY111 Psychology I 12/15/02 B 2.00 PSY-101
*CC *TE
2 ENG261 British Literature to 1700 01/15/03 B 2.00 LIT-208
*CC *TE
2 COM111 Interpersonal Comm 01/15/03 A 2.00 COM-230
*CC *TE
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed

2: Liberal Studies (30 SH: 15SH at upper level) (In progress)
SH Earned: 18 GPA Achieved/Needed: none / 2.000 Complete both subrequirements:

A: Upper Level (15 SH) (In progress)
*must earn grades of C/CR or better
At least TWO or more different areas must be included within the entire Concentration to provide breadth of knowledge in the Liberal Studies Area.

For upper level TESU course options, please contact an Advisor
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
1 AOJ-340 Criminalistics 10/27/20 CR 3.00 AOJ-340
*NE
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed
______ _______________ _________________________ __________ _______ _______ __________
3 credits needed
B: Liberal Stud (15 SH) (Complete)
*must earn grades of C/CR or better
A maximum of SIX credits can be at the 100 academic level.

For TESU course options, please contact an Advisor
SH Earned: 15
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
1 COM-299 Special Topics Communications 10/05/20 CR 3.00 COM-299
*NE
1 COM-231 Two-Dimensional Design 10/06/20 CR 3.00 COM-231
*NE
1 ENS-200 Environmental Science 10/06/20 CR 3.00 ENS-200
*NE
1 PHI-226 Ancient Greek Philosophy 10/09/20 CR 3.00 PHI-226
*NE
1 STA-201 Principles of Statistics 10/29/20 CR 3.00 STA-201
*NE

3: Liberal Arts Capstone (3 SH) (Not started)


4: Electives (27SH) (Complete)


SH Earned: 27.32
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
2 MAS117 Clinical Directed Practic 08/15/09 CR 3.33 MOA-153
*CC *TE
2 MAS114 Lab room Procedures II 05/15/09 A 2.67 MOA-199
*CC *TE
2 ITS12S Beginning Spreadsheet 01/15/09 A 0.67 CAP-113
*CC *TE
2 MLT117 Phlebotomy Laboratory 12/15/08 A 1.33 CLB-199
*CC *TE
2 MLT116 Phlebotomy 12/15/08 A 1.33 CLB-102
*CC *TE
2 MST104 Foundations Client Care 12/15/08 A 2.00 MOA-199
*CC *TE
2 MST101 Intro to Health Care Deliver 12/15/08 A 2.00 HEA-221
*CC *TE
2 MAS101 Orientation to Medical As 12/15/08 A 1.33 MOA-101
*CC *TE
2 MAS113 Medical Admin Office II 05/15/09 B 2.00 MOA-102
*CC *TE
2 MAS115 Lab Procedures for Med of 05/15/09 B 1.33 MOA-199
*CC *TE
2 MAS116 Pharmacology Med Office 05/15/09 B 1.33 PHA-101
*CC *TE
2 MST171 Intro to ECG 01/15/09 B 2.00 CVT-111
*CC *TE
2 MAS102 Medical Law and Ethics 01/15/09 B 1.33 MOA-131
*CC *TE
2 MAS103 Medical Administrative of 01/15/09 B 2.00 MOA-103
*CC *TE
2 MAS104 Exam Room Procedures I 01/15/09 B 2.67 MOA-199
*CC *TE

Other Courses:
Source Course Title Term Grade SH TESU # Notes
2 ACC111 Prin of Acct I 12/15/02 B 2.67 ACC-181 *TE *CC
2 ACC112 Prin of Acct II 01/15/03 B 2.67 ACC-182 *TE *CC
2 MTH106 Business Mathematics 05/15/03 B 2.00 BUS-161 *TE *CC
2 ACC113 Prin of Acct III 05/15/03 C 2.67 ACC-183 *TE *CC
2 ITS12W Beginning Word Processing 08/15/08 B 0.67 SES-131 *TE *CC
2 MST105 Medical Terminology 08/15/08 B 2.00 APS-100 *TE *CC
2 EMS171 Basic Life Support CPR 01/15/09 CR 0.67 HEA-197 *TE *CC
2 MAS118 Clinical Perspectives Sem 08/15/09 CR 0.67 MOA-199 *TE *CC
1 CYB-121 Legal Aspects of Cybersecurity 09/29/20 CR 2.00 CYB-121 *NE

[bjcheung77]

OMG! My goodness! Girlfriend, you're so close and it's so easy to finish!  Here are my recommendations:
Email TESU academic advising just to make sure these following sets are all coming in as LL/UL and transferable...
TWO Business courses at Davar is just $99 for both and +15 proctor fee/course
This is the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way you can get the UL requirements for graduation.

Your missing BALS No Concentration AOS requirements can be completed with this:
TEEX Death Investigation - UL $75 (you already have this babe!)
Davar Business Ethics - TESU 384 PHIL - UL
Davar MIS - TESU 301 MIS UL
Davar Organizational Behavior - TESU MAN 311 UL
Davar Managerial Communications - TESU MAN 373 UL

Now you need 3 general education electives that can be in any liberal arts/sciences, since you already have Sophia.org courses, complete anything that hasn't been done already that doesn't duplicate what you have.  If nothing, then do the TEEX Property Tech and Fingerprint for 3 credits each, and do the CSM Learn course to finish off the courses (all 3 are non-proctored, so use a second monitor for multi-tasking).  You're left with the Cornerstone/Capstone to be done together!

[SA4578]

OMG! My goodness! Girlfriend, you're so close and it's so easy to finish!  Here are my recommendations:
Email TESU academic advising just to make sure these following sets are all coming in as LL/UL and transferable...
TWO Business courses at Davar is just $99 for both and +15 proctor fee/course
This is the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way you can get the UL requirements for graduation.

Your missing BALS No Concentration AOS requirements can be completed with this:
TEEX Death Investigation - UL $75 (you already have this babe!)
Davar Business Ethics - TESU 384 PHIL - UL
Davar MIS - TESU 301 MIS UL
Davar Organizational Behavior - TESU MAN 311 UL
Davar Managerial Communications - TESU MAN 373 UL

Now you need 3 general education electives that can be in any liberal arts/sciences, since you already have Sophia.org courses, complete anything that hasn't been done already that doesn't duplicate what you have.  If nothing, then do the TEEX Property Tech and Fingerprint for 3 credits each, and do the CSM Learn course to finish off the courses (all 3 are non-proctored, so use a second monitor for multi-tasking).  You're left with the Cornerstone/Capstone to be done together!

Wow thank you! 

Ok so I am a little confused about the Davar courses. Don’t the 2 MAN come in as business?

Also, I do already have CSM, but I’ll definitely look on Sophia for any that I may have missed... art ugh...

The other thing is that I’m a little nervous about Sophia and Teex now that they can’t be added to ACE.

[bjcheung77]

I wouldn't worry about that too much about Sophia.org/TEEX, they both should be updating to the Acclaim Credly badge/transcript service soon, I would assume by the end of the month they'll have the tweaks all worked out perfectly. Yes, I see you have CSM, so take the Sophia.org College Algebra since you have a Stats course already and any other courses from Sophia.org... Just crank them all out and don't worry about it for now at least...

In regards to Davar, they're NCCRS so you don't have to worry about the ACE or Acclaim/Credly issue. One thing many people don't know is that some business courses are interchangeable with Liberal Arts, it's the content taught. The ones I provided can be used to hit requirements in both a BA Liberal Arts and/or a BS Business Admin, but as I mentioned, to be safe, email Academic Advising asking to have these verified as Upper Level and transferable...

[SA4578]

I wouldn't worry about that too much about Sophia.org/TEEX, they both should be updating to the Acclaim Credly badge/transcript service soon, I would assume by the end of the month they'll have the tweaks all worked out perfectly.  Yes, I see you have CSM, so take the Sophia.org College Algebra since you have a Stats course already and any other courses from Sophia.org... Just crank them all out and don't worry about it for now at least...

In regards to Davar, they're NCCRS so you don't have to worry about the ACE or Acclaim/Credly issue.  One thing many people don't know is that some business courses are interchangeable with Liberal Arts, it's the content taught.  The ones I provided can be used to hit requirements in both a BA Liberal Arts and/or a BS Business Admin, but as I mentioned, to be safe, email Academic Advising asking to have these verified as Upper Level and transferable...

Thank you! That is very helpful and I so much appreciate your time.

[dfrecore]

Just an FYI - I find the whole cutting & pasting of the eval with all of the superfluous info incredibly difficult to read through.  I much prefer it in the first post.  BUT, either way you do it, you should format it so that it's incredibly easy to read, to get better help.  I do degree plans and evaluations on a daily basis (I've done 2000+ degree plans), and I look at this mess and think OMG, there's no way I can figure this out.

You should always sort it by where you got the credit, and include how many credits you got.  You left that off the first post.

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For TESU, you need 3 GE's and 3 UL BALS courses.

If you want to do Sophia:
Public Speaking
College Algebra
Intro to Ethics
Art History I
Art History II
Human Biology

You could also do Study.com, lots of options there that you might like more than Davar.  I for instance, might choose (because I like History):
HIS 108: History of the Vietnam War (LL GE)
HIS 308: Causes & Effects of the Vietnam War (UL BALS)
HIS 106: The Civil War & Reconstruction (LL GE)
HIS 306: The American Civil War Era (UL BALS)
HIS 311: The Holocaust and WWII (UL BALS)
HIS 105: US History from Settlement to Present Day (LL GE)

But with Study.com, you have SO many more options to fit what you like.

I show you with 8 courses to complete - 6 + cornerstone & capstone

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I'd also apply to COSC with your PMP, and look at that, because it might be cheaper.  And the same amount of time.

1) The PMP should give you 9cr of UL Business, combined with the UL Org Theory course, Macro & Microecon, and Conflict Resolution and that's 12cr UL/9cr LL in Business, which could be 1 concentration.

2) You need a lab science, if you don't already have one (A&P I can't tell).  There are some inexpensive options available.

3) You need a Public speaking course, easy to get (unless Interpersonal Comm will work in there, not sure)

4) You need an Ethics course (COSC won't use the ones you have) so you could do SDC's UL BUS 310: Advanced Business Ethics for it to kill 2 birds with 1 stone (UL and Ethics requirement)
 
5) Get the remaining LL ethics courses at SDC to fill your concentration, and finish your credits - your 2nd concentration is right there easy to get

6) Now just take 3 more UL courses in whatever you want that will work in the BALS (Psych, History, Comm, whatever)

I think for COSC you're at 9 courses needed + cornerstone & capstone (so 11).

============================================================================

Now, you compare the cost to finish off your courses at each school, and the cost at each school, to get the total price remaining.

[P226mem]

question:
dfrecore listed HIS 308: Causes & Effects of the Vietnam War (UL BALS)

but on the SDC transfer guide it is confusing. Says TESU will bring it in as HIS 351, but for LL? what's current? or what is the not obvious info? thanks

[SA4578]

Just an FYI - I find the whole cutting & pasting of the eval with all of the superfluous info incredibly difficult to read through.  I much prefer it in the first post.  BUT, either way you do it, you should format it so that it's incredibly easy to read, to get better help.  I do degree plans and evaluations on a daily basis (I've done 2000+ degree plans), and I look at this mess and think OMG, there's no way I can figure this out.

You should always sort it by where you got the credit, and include how many credits you got.  You left that off the first post.

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For TESU, you need 3 GE's and 3 UL BALS courses.

If you want to do Sophia:
Public Speaking
College Algebra
Intro to Ethics
Art History I
Art History II
Human Biology

You could also do Study.com, lots of options there that you might like more than Davar.  I for instance, might choose (because I like History):
HIS 108: History of the Vietnam War (LL GE)
HIS 308: Causes & Effects of the Vietnam War (UL BALS)
HIS 106: The Civil War & Reconstruction (LL GE)
HIS 306: The American Civil War Era (UL BALS)
HIS 311: The Holocaust and WWII (UL BALS)
HIS 105: US History from Settlement to Present Day (LL GE)

But with Study.com, you have SO many more options to fit what you like.

I show you with 8 courses to complete - 6 + cornerstone & capstone

=========================================================================

I'd also apply to COSC with your PMP, and look at that, because it might be cheaper.  And the same amount of time.

1) The PMP should give you 9cr of UL Business, combined with the UL Org Theory course, Macro & Microecon, and Conflict Resolution and that's 12cr UL/9cr LL in Business, which could be 1 concentration.

2) You need a lab science, if you don't already have one (A&P I can't tell).  There are some inexpensive options available.

3) You need a Public speaking course, easy to get (unless Interpersonal Comm will work in there, not sure)

4) You need an Ethics course (COSC won't use the ones you have) so you could do SDC's UL BUS 310: Advanced Business Ethics for it to kill 2 birds with 1 stone (UL and Ethics requirement)
 
5) Get the remaining LL ethics courses at SDC to fill your concentration, and finish your credits - your 2nd concentration is right there easy to get

6) Now just take 3 more UL courses in whatever you want that will work in the BALS (Psych, History, Comm, whatever)

I think for COSC you're at 9 courses needed + cornerstone & capstone (so 11).

============================================================================

Now, you compare the cost to finish off your courses at each school, and the cost at each school, to get the total price remaining.

Thank you! That’s really very helpful. I’ve not taken Davar yet, and SDC is familiar. I’m a little nervous about transferability after the recent experience with the Org Theory... but I do like history too.

My apologies for the formatting. I wanted to make it easy, and ended up complicating it. Lesson learned. 

So will COSC accept the SDC presentations in the workplace? This was what I used to fulfill the requirement at TESU.

Thanks again!