09-25-2020, 10:18 PM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2020, 10:19 PM by warriortaupou.)
(09-25-2020, 03:29 AM)StoicJ Wrote: I guess the big deal would be that if they were RA, one could complete UL courses for $120 each, and they could be transferred to other RA programs. Is that what you are thinking?
Right now costs are the $60 application fee, and you have to pass the 8-week Online Education Strategies course ($120). From that point you could take other courses. A lot of the UL courses have lower-level prerequisites. You would have to complete those before moving up. I suppose you could transfer in the lower-level prerequisites if you have them ($17 transfer fee for each).
I don't know if UotP would be a good source of UL transfer credits. Mainly because of the costs (in money, but mostly time) just to get to where you can start taking UL's.
Another big thing about RA would be:
You have 90 credits (the max that supposedly COULD be transferred in) via other schools, CLEP, ACE-recommended, or whatever. Say you have the 90, or you could get them fast and cheap.
That leaves costs of $60 application, plus $510 credit transfer fees (30 x $17), and 10 courses left to complete at UotP- $1200 (10 x $120). There are some courses that require proctored finals, let's say there are 4, so $100 (4 x $25). Cost is whatever it took to earn 90 credits elsewhere, plus about $1870. There are no textbooks to buy, and there is no graduation fee. It would be an option that would make sense for some.
You can take 2 courses per term, and there are 5 terms in an academic year, so you could do this in a year. Actually, I think you can qualify to take up to 3 courses per term.
Oh, and you ask if it would be retroactive? There's retroactive RA status as far as credit transfer, and employer recognition of regional versus national versus none, depending on when you were awarded the degree. I have no idea, but I'm sure others here do.
As far as most private-sector employment goes, I imagine you could have earned a degree at UotP before they even had national accreditation, and nearly all employers would see it as whatever it was when you applied for the job.
Sorry...I kept it pretty simple in my statement, but was more interested in UotP becoming an RA vice it's current status as NA. I am thinking of teaching overseas on an small country island (kind of 3rd world) and it requires a minimum of bachelor's in Education...other majors not accepted. They will accept programs from Australia and New Zealand, but I wasn't sure how an NA degree would be accepted. I don't think they know exactly either because I asked earlier today.
I found this under the DoE website, but it's curious how it doesn't show Education on its accredited programs (tried to attach an image, but guess I don't have those permissions):
(09-25-2020, 03:29 AM)StoicJ Wrote: I guess the big deal would be that if they were RA, one could complete UL courses for $120 each, and they could be transferred to other RA programs. Is that what you are thinking?
Right now costs are the $60 application fee, and you have to pass the 8-week Online Education Strategies course ($120). From that point you could take other courses. A lot of the UL courses have lower-level prerequisites. You would have to complete those before moving up. I suppose you could transfer in the lower-level prerequisites if you have them ($17 transfer fee for each).
I don't know if UotP would be a good source of UL transfer credits. Mainly because of the costs (in money, but mostly time) just to get to where you can start taking UL's.
Another big thing about RA would be:
You have 90 credits (the max that supposedly COULD be transferred in) via other schools, CLEP, ACE-recommended, or whatever. Say you have the 90, or you could get them fast and cheap.
That leaves costs of $60 application, plus $510 credit transfer fees (30 x $17), and 10 courses left to complete at UotP- $1200 (10 x $120). There are some courses that require proctored finals, let's say there are 4, so $100 (4 x $25). Cost is whatever it took to earn 90 credits elsewhere, plus about $1870. There are no textbooks to buy, and there is no graduation fee. It would be an option that would make sense for some.
You can take 2 courses per term, and there are 5 terms in an academic year, so you could do this in a year. Actually, I think you can qualify to take up to 3 courses per term.
Oh, and you ask if it would be retroactive? There's retroactive RA status as far as credit transfer, and employer recognition of regional versus national versus none, depending on when you were awarded the degree. I have no idea, but I'm sure others here do.
As far as most private-sector employment goes, I imagine you could have earned a degree at UotP before they even had national accreditation, and nearly all employers would see it as whatever it was when you applied for the job.
Sorry...I kept it pretty simple in my statement, but was more interested in UotP becoming an RA vice it's current status as NA. I am thinking of teaching overseas on an small country island (kind of 3rd world) and it requires a minimum of bachelor's in Education...other majors not accepted. They will accept programs from Australia and New Zealand, but I wasn't sure how an NA degree would be accepted. I don't think they know exactly either because I asked earlier today.
I found this under the DoE website, but it's curious how it doesn't show Education on its accredited programs (tried to attach an image, but guess I don't have those permissions):
BA, Religion, AMU, 2019, Summa Cum Laude & Class Speaker AA, General Ed., AMU, 2016
RA: Northern Virginia CC; St. Leo Univ.
Alt Credit: Sophia: Developing Effective Teams TEEX: Cyber Security for Everyone; Cyber Security for IT Professionals SL: Intro. to Religion (the class 1 transferred to AMU-wish I had known sooner)
09-25-2020, 10:25 PM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2020, 10:53 PM by warriortaupou.)
(03-12-2020, 11:34 AM)SweetSecret Wrote: "WASC Senior College and University Commission (WSCUC) is a regional accrediting agency. University of the People has applied for Eligibility from the WASC Senior College and University Commission (WSCUC). WSCUC has reviewed the application and determined that the institution is eligible to proceed with an Application for Accreditation. A determination of Eligibility is not a formal status with the WASC Senior College and University Commission, nor does it ensure eventual accreditation. It is a preliminary finding that the institution is potentially accreditable and can proceed within five years of its Eligibility determination to be reviewed for Candidacy or Initial Accreditation status with the Commission. Questions about Eligibility may be directed to the institution or to WSCUC at https://www.wscuc.org/contact or (510) 748-9001."
That just came to my email.
Any word on their pursuing RA?
(03-12-2020, 03:29 PM)gams007 Wrote: I thinks it sound good to have that accreditation I check the cost and it seems good you can transfer 90 credits to the school as maximum and paying around $1500,- you can have a bachelor degree.
(03-12-2020, 03:29 PM)gams007 Wrote: I thinks it sound good to have that accreditation I check the cost and it seems good you can transfer 90 credits to the school as maximum and paying around $1500,- you can have a bachelor degree.
Nice I was asking this question on another thread. Watching this YT video now!
(09-25-2020, 10:25 PM)warriortaupou Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 11:34 AM)SweetSecret Wrote: "WASC Senior College and University Commission (WSCUC) is a regional accrediting agency. University of the People has applied for Eligibility from the WASC Senior College and University Commission (WSCUC). WSCUC has reviewed the application and determined that the institution is eligible to proceed with an Application for Accreditation. A determination of Eligibility is not a formal status with the WASC Senior College and University Commission, nor does it ensure eventual accreditation. It is a preliminary finding that the institution is potentially accreditable and can proceed within five years of its Eligibility determination to be reviewed for Candidacy or Initial Accreditation status with the Commission. Questions about Eligibility may be directed to the institution or to WSCUC at https://www.wscuc.org/contact or (510) 748-9001."
That just came to my email.
Any word on their pursuing RA?
(03-12-2020, 03:29 PM)gams007 Wrote: I thinks it sound good to have that accreditation I check the cost and it seems good you can transfer 90 credits to the school as maximum and paying around $1500,- you can have a bachelor degree.
(03-12-2020, 03:29 PM)gams007 Wrote: I thinks it sound good to have that accreditation I check the cost and it seems good you can transfer 90 credits to the school as maximum and paying around $1500,- you can have a bachelor degree.
Nice I was asking this question on another thread. Watching this YT video now!
BTW anyone know why the Education program is not included in the accreditation?
BA, Religion, AMU, 2019, Summa Cum Laude & Class Speaker AA, General Ed., AMU, 2016
RA: Northern Virginia CC; St. Leo Univ.
Alt Credit: Sophia: Developing Effective Teams TEEX: Cyber Security for Everyone; Cyber Security for IT Professionals SL: Intro. to Religion (the class 1 transferred to AMU-wish I had known sooner)
Well, UotP does not have an undergrad Education degree, just the grad degree. And I think the Master in Ed is fairly new.
College (146): RA (134), NA (12)
ACE-recommended (105): Sophia (53), Study (28), Google (12), TEEX (10), Institutes (2)
ECTS (69): ENEB (65), LUT (2), XAMK (2) IN PROGRESS: Certificate- Google Data Analytics
Bachelor- Cybersecurity Technology (105/120) / Organizational Leadership (99/120) Certification- CompTIA A+ DONE: Certificate- Google IT Support Associates- Business Administration / BoG (History) Undergrad certificate- Computer Networking MBA
I hope they will make their courses more modular.
They should become like RA version study.com, sophia.org so students can freely take their courses and transfer credits to other RA institutions.
Also, they should reduce their tuition to $99 a month or lower.
(09-25-2020, 10:25 PM)warriortaupou Wrote: Nice I was asking this question on another thread. Watching this YT video now!
BTW anyone know why the Education program is not included in the accreditation?
There is no UotP bachelor's in Ed, just a grad, and the grad degrees have not been around very long. The form you showed on the other page doesn't have a date on it, might be older than the grad degree offerings.
College (146): RA (134), NA (12)
ACE-recommended (105): Sophia (53), Study (28), Google (12), TEEX (10), Institutes (2)
ECTS (69): ENEB (65), LUT (2), XAMK (2) IN PROGRESS: Certificate- Google Data Analytics
Bachelor- Cybersecurity Technology (105/120) / Organizational Leadership (99/120) Certification- CompTIA A+ DONE: Certificate- Google IT Support Associates- Business Administration / BoG (History) Undergrad certificate- Computer Networking MBA
(09-25-2020, 11:30 PM)StoicJ Wrote: Well, UotP does not have an undergrad Education degree, just the grad degree. And I think the Master in Ed is fairly new.
Yes, I would be interested in the Masters. OK, new, that's prob why it isn't listed. Ty!!
BA, Religion, AMU, 2019, Summa Cum Laude & Class Speaker AA, General Ed., AMU, 2016
RA: Northern Virginia CC; St. Leo Univ.
Alt Credit: Sophia: Developing Effective Teams TEEX: Cyber Security for Everyone; Cyber Security for IT Professionals SL: Intro. to Religion (the class 1 transferred to AMU-wish I had known sooner)
See pg 23 for info I think you will find relevant.
College (146): RA (134), NA (12)
ACE-recommended (105): Sophia (53), Study (28), Google (12), TEEX (10), Institutes (2)
ECTS (69): ENEB (65), LUT (2), XAMK (2) IN PROGRESS: Certificate- Google Data Analytics
Bachelor- Cybersecurity Technology (105/120) / Organizational Leadership (99/120) Certification- CompTIA A+ DONE: Certificate- Google IT Support Associates- Business Administration / BoG (History) Undergrad certificate- Computer Networking MBA
09-26-2020, 07:56 PM (This post was last modified: 09-26-2020, 08:06 PM by wow.)
(09-25-2020, 10:18 PM)warriortaupou Wrote: ... I am thinking of teaching overseas on an small country island (kind of 3rd world) and it requires a minimum of bachelor's in Education...other majors not accepted. They will accept programs from Australia and New Zealand, but I wasn't sure how an NA degree would be accepted. I don't think they know exactly either because I asked earlier today. ...
When do you want to start teaching? You could wait to see if UoP gets regional accreditation, for which it has applied. Or you could start there and stretch out your time in hopes they will be RA before you graduate. That could take 5+ years, and there are no guarantees.
The MEd program was designed in cooperation with the IB (International Baccalaureate), so if the school you are thinking about is an IB school *and* you do very well at UoPeople, the school may be willing to disregard the NA thing. Even so, you might need to figure out somewhere to do student teaching first (though I guess that depends on what country you're talking about). There are some very limited options for doing a practicum while studying at UoPeople (see current catalog), but I wouldn't bet on getting assigned to one.
Or you could get a BA in Ed through WGU, or a BA or MA from American College of Education instead.
(Note: I am doing Foundations courses for the MEd at UoPeople and like it so far, except the peer grading—which I am told gets better once you are out of Foundations and an official candidate, because the people who don't know how to grade tend not to get that far.)
(09-25-2020, 11:31 PM)nomaduser Wrote: I hope they will make their courses more modular.
They should become like RA version study.com, sophia.org so students can freely take their courses and transfer credits to other RA institutions.
Also, they should reduce their tuition to $99 a month or lower.
"Modular" is a nice idea for people like us, but for UoPeople, going in that direction would be inconsistent with their purpose.
I also think it would create a mess in terms of the peer grading system, which already has issues. Peer grading can be disastrous in the early courses because too many students don't follow directions/have no idea what they're doing. Profs, who are volunteers, have to spend too much time cleaning it up. Those students either drop out or become better peer graders as they continue in the program. If people could just drop in for one or two courses, bad peer grading would be rampant in all classes.
Tuition is already lower than $99/month for undergrad. One course=8-9 weeks=$120.
(03-12-2020, 04:04 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: I wonder if they are going to keep their DEAC accreditation. I hope they do keep both...
Why in the world would you keep a lesser accreditation? What would the benefit of that be?
Why is DEAC considered a lesser accreditation?
BA, Religion, AMU, 2019, Summa Cum Laude & Class Speaker AA, General Ed., AMU, 2016
RA: Northern Virginia CC; St. Leo Univ.
Alt Credit: Sophia: Developing Effective Teams TEEX: Cyber Security for Everyone; Cyber Security for IT Professionals SL: Intro. to Religion (the class 1 transferred to AMU-wish I had known sooner)