10-07-2019, 08:14 AM
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Bad Bad Vibes from WGU (and an Intro of sorts)
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10-07-2019, 08:12 PM
(10-04-2019, 06:55 AM)sanantone Wrote: TESU and COSC don't care if you enroll or not. LOL That's very true apart from some random ads and some scholarship info TESU hasn't bothered me to enroll. I actually had to call them several times because i was showing up as not enrolled and my corporate discount was not working.
10-08-2019, 12:27 AM
i don't know how i fell through the WGU cracks, but after i contacted them about enrolling i was never bothered by them about enrolling in the months it took me to finally enroll (though I've heard plenty of people complain about aggressive enrollment tactics similar to other schools that make me feel i'm in the minority). and now that i'm an alumn, they've never once bothered me to donate. TESU did ask for a donation, and I even gave them one, but i never heard anything after that. It's like I've won the no-hassle lottery.
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10-10-2019, 06:09 PM
(10-08-2019, 12:27 AM)jsd Wrote: i don't know how i fell through the WGU cracks, but after i contacted them about enrolling i was never bothered by them about enrolling in the months it took me to finally enroll (though I've heard plenty of people complain about aggressive enrollment tactics similar to other schools that make me feel i'm in the minority). and now that i'm an alumn, they've never once bothered me to donate. TESU did ask for a donation, and I even gave them one, but i never heard anything after that. It's like I've won the no-hassle lottery. I signed up at WGU a few months before I planned to start so I could ask questions and such, but I was never hassled by WGU to enroll. Maybe I wasn't bugged since I was enrolling for a master's degree and not an undergrad degree, and I technically couldn't start until I finished my BSBA. All in all my enrollment counselor was pretty cool and helpful. My program mentor has been amazing, so overall I've had a pretty good experience with them. I also didn't get bugged by TESU, other than a call asking for an alumni donation (which I didn't do either).
Working on: Debating whether I want to pursue a doctoral program or maybe another master's degree in 2022-23
Complete: MBA (IT Management), 2019, Western Governors University BSBA (Computer Information Systems), 2019, Thomas Edison State University ASNSM (Computer Science), 2019, Thomas Edison State University ScholarMatch College & Career Coach WGU Ambassador
10-10-2019, 07:22 PM
I didn't feel harassed by my enrollment counselor when I signed up for WGU. When I found out that WGU would not accept any transfer credits after I started classes, I informed the enrollment counselor of my plans to take classes from StraighterLine and to take a couple of certification exams and gave her my estimated timeline to finish and we scheduled a call after I expected to finish. I didn't receive any calls from her until the scheduled date and it was all good to go. In my opinion, the most annoying part of the whole process was waiting for WGU to get all of my transcripts as they wouldn't let me start any classes until they had received everything.
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Earned: WGU: BS-NOS (2019), WGU: MS-CSIA (2021) Current Programs: UC: PhD in InfoSec (2025), AMA: DIT (2024), ENEB: MBA (2023) Exam Priority: CEH (Practical), PMP, CISA, CISM Future Plans: TBD - maybe an MS in Cannabis Science & Business, sounds like fun! Omni Transcript Credly Badges
11-03-2019, 01:56 PM
(10-04-2019, 12:25 AM)ivythrowaway Wrote: I am sure people here are not strangers to the subtle (and in other cases not-so-subtle) cheap sales parlor tricks that the over-priced higher education industry has become. Take this semi-brief tangent-prone rant for what you will coming from a jaded Ivy League dropout. I can shatter your illusions about the quality of an Ivy League education (that ultimately led to my flunking and dropping out) but that's another story for another day. After years of cursing the value of higher education, I began doing business internationally where certain visa types I required needed some check-the-box Bachelors degree. So I need a degree. Alas, here I am. Though I think we need to start calling this industry for what it is: a scam, a predatory human rights violation. So you can get your 90 credits evaluated, and they may only except 60 of them? Or even worse 30? Sounds pretty shady! Kind of defeats the purpose of testing out of 90 credits prior to enrolling if they aren't even going to except all of them. Think about it. You could be out hundreds of dollars(SL, SDC, etc.) if they don't end up excepting them all, even worse if you went to a traditional university. May force me to reconsider WGU and go with one of the Big Three. Interesting.
11-03-2019, 02:00 PM
Transfering in up to 114 of 120 is why they are called the "Big 3." Since 1971, RA (Accredited) the gold standard makes them hard to beat.
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Non-Traditional Graduate College Credits (14 SH): AMU (6 SH); NFHS (5 SH); and JSU (3 SH).
11-03-2019, 03:52 PM
(11-03-2019, 01:56 PM)Marquette_Wildcat Wrote:It's not shady. At any school, you don't just need to get the right number of credits - you need to get credits in the right subjects. If you take the right courses, you will have no waste. But a lot of people either don't plan ahead or change their plans and so end up wasting credits. But that's on the student, not the school(10-04-2019, 12:25 AM)ivythrowaway Wrote: I am sure people here are not strangers to the subtle (and in other cases not-so-subtle) cheap sales parlor tricks that the over-priced higher education industry has become. Take this semi-brief tangent-prone rant for what you will coming from a jaded Ivy League dropout. I can shatter your illusions about the quality of an Ivy League education (that ultimately led to my flunking and dropping out) but that's another story for another day. After years of cursing the value of higher education, I began doing business internationally where certain visa types I required needed some check-the-box Bachelors degree. So I need a degree. Alas, here I am. Though I think we need to start calling this industry for what it is: a scam, a predatory human rights violation.
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11-03-2019, 09:05 PM
(11-03-2019, 01:56 PM)Marquette_Wildcat Wrote: So you can get your 90 credits evaluated, and they may only except 60 of them? Or even worse 30? Sounds pretty shady! Kind of defeats the purpose of testing out of 90 credits prior to enrolling if they aren't even going to except all of them. Think about it. You could be out hundreds of dollars(SL, SDC, etc.) if they don't end up excepting them all, even worse if you went to a traditional university. May force me to reconsider WGU and go with one of the Big Three. Interesting. That is not a problem with WGU being shady, it is more of a problem with the assumptions being made by the student. It also shouldn't happen to anyone on this forum who takes the time to learn the requirements of their chosen degree and plans their courses effectively. Anyone who is doing the work to "test out" of credits towards earning a degree at WGU (or the big 3 for that matter) needs to spend some time to determine which classes are applicable to meet the various degree requirements for whatever program they are pursuing. Otherwise, they are just wasting their time and money taking classes that may or may not work towards their chosen degree. In cases where the credits are evaluated but not used towards a degree, the credits are often acceptable but they are not appropriate to meet the requirements of a specific degree program so they are ignored. In many cases, those credits may still be used towards meeting the requirements of other degrees though. This happens to people who transfer between colleges all the time. Particularly for those who change degree programs or when the two colleges in question have different approaches to the requirements of a given degree program. It also happens to people when they don't put in the time to do the research, or make assumptions (perhaps based on old posts on this forum) about what courses they should take to meet degree requirements at the big 3. Either way, in 99% of the cases, when credits aren't accepted toward a non-traditional degree it isn't the school's fault. If a college wants to keep its accreditation, it cannot accept courses that don't meet the requirements of the chosen degree program. That is pretty much the long and short of it. If a student wants their credits to be accepted at a chosen school, they need to do the research and make sure to take the right courses. Also keep in mind that schools may change their degree requirements at any time (TESU does this a lot), so what qualifies for meeting a degree requirement today may not work tomorrow. So you always need to keep checking to make sure that your assumptions remain valid and accept that things may change. In the case of TESU or other big 3 schools, this means you need to make sure to get the credits evaluated and added to your degree transcript ASAP so you're not disappointed by a future change.
Working on: Debating whether I want to pursue a doctoral program or maybe another master's degree in 2022-23
Complete: MBA (IT Management), 2019, Western Governors University BSBA (Computer Information Systems), 2019, Thomas Edison State University ASNSM (Computer Science), 2019, Thomas Edison State University ScholarMatch College & Career Coach WGU Ambassador
11-05-2019, 12:11 PM
Yikes, I think the problem is a combination of lack of planning and an unrealistic expectation that the school would help you get credits from anywhere but itself. I actually went though this exact same process between excelsior, cosc, and wgu (I had NA credits so TESU wasn't an option) but quickly realized that nobody was going to be any real help, so I did my own research between here/reddit and made out with a "check this box" BS like a bandit.
I will say my enrollment counselor was a pure salesman, very pushy and persistent. Don't let a counselors motivation cloud your own, I just avoided my counselor until I was ready to send in my ACE credits for evaluation (I did this 3 times before enrolling). As for as planning goes, you as the student and person paying for the program are the responsible party. It is important to do your own research regardless of school, WGU has very strict degree plans so transfer credit only works well with careful planning. Generic credits will not transfer well to any WGU program as they don't have many general ed classes. If what you have is a random assortment of credits or a ton of gen eds - about 5 minutes of research (I research buying a new toothbrush longer than that) would tell you that WGU isn't a good option for that type of transfer. Having said that, if done correctly they are generous with transfer credit, as long as it is a similar class name to what exists on their degree plan. I took many SDC/ACE classes that were not listed on the "wgu transfer pathway" but every single one of them transferred anyways (some LL even transferred in for classes that usually require UL). For details you can search out my past post from a couple months ago, the short story is I knocked out a bunch of ACE classes and transferred 90 credits to WGU and completed in like 3 or so months for a total cost of under 5K (that includes all money spent on alternative credit, paperwork, and supplies). In reality none of these schools are going to go out of their way to try and help you get credits from other sources, in my experience none of them are particularly helpful in any way- so that bit is up to you and if done correctly all 4 schools are good options. |
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