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(01-09-2019, 09:47 PM)Jenniferinfl Wrote: Her husband is in college right now at a nationally accredited diploma mill.
Not to nitpick, but if a college is nationally accredited and accepts financial aid, it is NOT a diploma mill. It is probably just an expensive, but legitimate for-profit college. There are a lot of those schools and many of them seem focused on getting students to sign up for financial aid and then keep them in school for as long as possible to milk them for the financial aid money.
To be clear, particularly for others who may read this in the future, the term "diploma mill" specifically refers to companies or individuals that masquerade as a college and sell fake degrees, or unaccredited colleges that provide degrees that are not legitimate.
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Not to further nitpick  ... But there are nationally accredited (and even regionally accredited) programs that don't accept financial aid, and those schools still aren't diploma Mills.
There's certainly an argument to be made about NA generally not being the best option, but it's highly dependent on one's goals. But yes, NA not being on the same level as RA doesn't mean it's a diploma mill by any stretch.
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(01-10-2019, 12:04 AM)jsd Wrote: Not to further nitpick ... But there are nationally accredited (and even regionally accredited) programs that don't accept financial aid, and those schools still aren't diploma Mills.
There's certainly an argument to be made about NA generally not being the best option, but it's highly dependent on one's goals. But yes, NA not being on the same level as RA doesn't mean it's a diploma mill by any stretch.
I didn't mean to imply that if a school doesn't accept financial aid it is a diploma mill, rather the opposite. If a school is accredited and accepts financial aid, it will not be a diploma mill.
On the other hand, there are diploma mills that claim to be accredited but and they will not accept financial aid. Usually, they include some excuse about being less expensive since they don't take financial aid.
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NA/RA aside, I think it highlights the need for some serious and unbiased guidance on post-high school education. (Unfortunately not everyone will get a copy of Cookderosa's awesome book!)
But the majority of guidance I have ever gotten in my lifetime has always been the traditional "if you go to college, you will have a nice life" type of BS. The best advice I ever have seen comes from this forum and frankly, when I was halfway through my undergrad, I stopped telling people about my CLEP journey because the reaction was almost always negative and I didn't want to cast doubt upon the legitimacy of my own education.
If I had all the time and money in the world, starting a non-profit educational counseling service would be amazing. Everything from pre to post grad, resume services and interview coaching. Would be great!! But I suppose the people mentioned in this thread would probably still do what they were going to do... In a way I guess it's not a bad thing that these guys are out there. We don't want them all competing for our jobs!  (I'm kidding of course)
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LOL, sorry about that. I'm in the habit of calling anyplace that graduates students with useless pieces of paper a diploma mill. I'd rather not disclose the school name in case my friend ends up here and knows I'm talking about her.. lol
It's one of those schools that offers degrees in things that are dream jobs and not realistic careers.
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(01-09-2019, 09:47 PM)Jenniferinfl Wrote: I have a friend who is married and has three kids. They live with her parents. Her husband is in college right now at a nationally accredited diploma mill. He will owe over $200k when he graduates if he only took loans out for tuition and not for living expenses.
We live in Central Florida. There is no way they will ever be able to afford to move out. He won't even be able to find a job in the field he is training in. He'll be lucky to get his old trucking job back, just now he'll have a $2600 monthly payment to make.
I get so frustrated with stupidity.
I'm super curious what that would be? I'm thinking maybe pilot training?
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This sounds like Full Fail....err....Sail.
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(01-10-2019, 09:45 PM)quigongene Wrote: This sounds like Full Fail....err....Sail.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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(01-10-2019, 09:54 PM)natshar Wrote: (01-10-2019, 09:45 PM)quigongene Wrote: This sounds like Full Fail....err....Sail.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Despite being NA rather than RA, Full Sail's game development/design program is actually fairly well regarded... or at least it used to be. I have no idea about any of Full Sail's other programs though.
Full Sail was one of the first colleges to offer a dedicated game development program and has (or at least had) some veteran game creators as instructors. They used to bring in some pretty big name guest lecturers too. I've hired some of their graduates over the years.
Considering so many other bigger name schools now offer their own game development programs, I have no idea if the quality of their instruction is the same now. I'd imagine that some of the more well-known instructors could have moved to more prestigious schools. My wife teaches game design at one of their competitors.
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(01-10-2019, 11:54 PM)Merlin Wrote: (01-10-2019, 09:54 PM)natshar Wrote: (01-10-2019, 09:45 PM)quigongene Wrote: This sounds like Full Fail....err....Sail.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Despite being NA rather than RA, Full Sail's game development/design program is actually fairly well regarded... or at least it used to be. I have no idea about any of Full Sail's other programs though.
Full Sail was one of the first colleges to offer a dedicated game development program and has (or at least had) some veteran game creators as instructors. They used to bring in some pretty big name guest lecturers too. I've hired some of their graduates over the years.
Considering so many other bigger name schools now offer their own game development programs, I have no idea if the quality of their instruction is the same now. I'd imagine that some of the more well-known instructors could have moved to more prestigious schools. My wife teaches game design at one of their competitors.
I've heard that too. So their game design is good. They also offer a whole bunch of other programs (business, arts, etc.) which aren't as highly regarded, especially for the price they charge.
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