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Accounting vs Business Admin
#11
(05-27-2018, 03:24 AM)Rustydroid Wrote:
(05-26-2018, 08:47 PM)frank.f.franky Wrote: Go for the accounting and get a CPA and you'll never be out of work

You don't need Masters just 150 hours. 

And you don't have to live in the state to sit for the exam in the state.


https://thiswaytocpa.com/licensure/state-requirements/

Best place, IMO or easiest is DC, pass the test and work: "1 year in government, industry, academia or public practice."


That's sort of what i was thinking as well. However my goal does not involve working in accounting but you never know what the future holds. On the last recession about a quarter of my department was laid off. 
I signed up with TESU for their Health Care management degree but I haven't talked to them yet. I work in a Hospital so it sounds like it might please the higher ups. 
My local community college offers a lot of accounting classes and one of the professors is really good at explaining things. He is one of the ones that got me thinking about accounting. First day of class he said that he attended that very same Community College then transferred to a Cal state school to complete his accounting degree. Then he went on to relate how his bro who worked as a waiter went on to get a History degree. 
After they both graduated my professor got a lot of job offers while his bro kept on working as a waiter for some years.

TESU's Healthcare Management degree will be more expensive to test out of just because you'll have to use CSU-Global CBE's at $250 each to get the 6 required AOS courses completed.  So it will be about $900 more than a regular BSBA.  But that's not a terrible degree to have if you want to stand out a little at your workplace.

(05-27-2018, 01:06 AM)Yenisei Wrote: I checked my alma mater's requirements for a BS in Accounting, and they require 27 credits in accounting as opposed to 18 for TESU and 15 for Excelsior. It wouldn't be too difficult to take some more accounting courses and use them as general electives.

Accounting courses don't count as Gen Ed at TESU, so the extra credits could be used as Free Electives (6cr) and then the rest would just go in "Other courses."  They'd show up on your transcript though, so not a total loss.
TESU BSBA/HR 2018 - WVNCC BOG AAS 2017 - GGU Cert in Mgmt 2000
EXAMS: TECEP Tech Wrtg, Comp II, LA Math, PR, Computers  DSST Computers, Pers Fin  CLEP Mgmt, Mktg
COURSES: TESU Capstone  Study.com Pers Fin, Microecon, Stats  Ed4Credit Acct 2  PF Fin Mgmt  ALEKS Int & Coll Alg  Sophia Proj Mgmt The Institutes - Ins Ethics  Kaplan PLA
#12
I did mean free electives (just termed "Electives" on the TESU degree plan for Accounting), but then where are the credits for a second major in a BSBA at TESU placed?
#13
I did the BS in Business aka Bus Admin (jack of some subjects trades and Master at NOTHING) degree.  I had often wished I had an accounting (skill) degree instead.

My boss's two sons both only have an AS in Accounting from a CC and they are both making over 100,000+ (early 20s).  They would not be at their age with Bus Admin.
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#14
(05-27-2018, 03:15 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote: I did the BS in Business aka Bus Admin (jack of some subjects trades and Master at NOTHING) degree.  I had often wished I had an accounting (skill) degree instead.

My boss's two sons both only have an AS in Accounting from a CC and they are both making over 100,000+ (early 20s).  They would not be at their age with Bus Admin.

That is DEFINITELY not the norm!  I worked in payroll for years, in a bunch of companies, and NO ONE in accounting ever made the kind of money unless they were in management - and even then, they were fairly high level.  So I would not base my degree on outliers like that.

(05-27-2018, 02:13 PM)Yenisei Wrote: I did mean free electives (just termed "Electives" on the TESU degree plan for Accounting), but then where are the credits for a second major in a BSBA at TESU placed?

When you have a second concentration, they add 6 courses (18cr) to your degree requirements (through the 2nd AOS).  So you need 138cr to graduate, rather than 120 (I might be wrong in that you only need 132cr, and you don't get any Free Electives, but I think my first statement is correct).
TESU BSBA/HR 2018 - WVNCC BOG AAS 2017 - GGU Cert in Mgmt 2000
EXAMS: TECEP Tech Wrtg, Comp II, LA Math, PR, Computers  DSST Computers, Pers Fin  CLEP Mgmt, Mktg
COURSES: TESU Capstone  Study.com Pers Fin, Microecon, Stats  Ed4Credit Acct 2  PF Fin Mgmt  ALEKS Int & Coll Alg  Sophia Proj Mgmt The Institutes - Ins Ethics  Kaplan PLA
#15
(05-27-2018, 03:24 AM)Rustydroid Wrote:
(05-26-2018, 08:47 PM)frank.f.franky Wrote: Go for the accounting and get a CPA and you'll never be out of work

You don't need Masters just 150 hours. 

And you don't have to live in the state to sit for the exam in the state.


https://thiswaytocpa.com/licensure/state-requirements/

Best place, IMO or easiest is DC, pass the test and work: "1 year in government, industry, academia or public practice."


That's sort of what i was thinking as well. However my goal does not involve working in accounting but you never know what the future holds. On the last recession about a quarter of my department was laid off. 
I signed up with TESU for their Health Care management degree but I haven't talked to them yet. I work in a Hospital so it sounds like it might please the higher ups. 
My local community college offers a lot of accounting classes and one of the professors is really good at explaining things. He is one of the ones that got me thinking about accounting. First day of class he said that he attended that very same Community College then transferred to a Cal state school to complete his accounting degree. Then he went on to relate how his bro who worked as a waiter went on to get a History degree. 
After they both graduated my professor got a lot of job offers while his bro kept on working as a waiter for some years.

I learned something new, you don't have to be actually in the state to take the exam for the state (i.e. you can sit for DC's CPA exam in Maine). 

http://www.ais-cpa.com/become-a-cpa-with...ng-degree/

Also, you will need a review class to pass, and some count as accounting credit.

https://uwf.edu/continuinged/departments...w-courses/

So for example, with as little as 9 hours of accounting & UWF review class, you could sit for Alaska's CPA exam.  You can also add to resume "Candidate for CPA", which may open some job interviews.

https://www.gleim.com/cpa-review/blog/cp...te-resume/

With a good review class and effort, you'd be on par with anyone with a MS in Accounting.  

A lot of accounting classes don't teach you how to pass the CPA.
#16
(05-27-2018, 03:15 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote: I did the BS in Business aka Bus Admin (jack of some subjects trades and Master at NOTHING) degree.  I had often wished I had an accounting (skill) degree instead.

My boss's two sons both only have an AS in Accounting from a CC and they are both making over 100,000+ (early 20s).  They would not be at their age with Bus Admin.

That's what I've read and heard about a BS in Business. My own microeconomics professor keeps urging everyone to get something besides a business admin degree. I think he has a degree in finance if I recall correctly. 
My best friends sister works for a small accounting firm and made what I make with no degree at all. She is pretty smart though very good at math just wondered why she never got a degree. 
I'm going to take another accounting class that is required, managerial accounting and see how things go. I wonder how many accounting Credits TESU will accept from a community college. I'll ask them when I get the chance. Funny thing is Excelsior keeps calling me and emailing me about taking classes with them while TESU can not be bothered to review my stuff.
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#17
(05-27-2018, 08:01 PM)Rustydroid Wrote:
(05-27-2018, 03:15 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote: I did the BS in Business aka Bus Admin (jack of some subjects trades and Master at NOTHING) degree.  I had often wished I had an accounting (skill) degree instead.

My boss's two sons both only have an AS in Accounting from a CC and they are both making over 100,000+ (early 20s).  They would not be at their age with Bus Admin.

That's what I've read and heard about a BS in Business. My own microeconomics professor keeps urging everyone to get something besides a business admin degree. I think he has a degree in finance if I recall correctly. 
My best friends sister works for a small accounting firm and made what I make with no degree at all. She is pretty smart though very good at math just wondered why she never got a degree. 
I'm going to take another accounting class that is required, managerial accounting and see how things go. I wonder how many accounting Credits TESU will accept from a community college. I'll ask them when I get the chance. Funny thing is Excelsior keeps calling me and emailing me about taking classes with them while TESU can not be bothered to review my stuff.

TESU's AOS requires 4 UL courses for the AOS, so they will only bring in 2 towards your AOS from a CC - the other 4 have to be done through alternative credit or a 4-yr school.
TESU BSBA/HR 2018 - WVNCC BOG AAS 2017 - GGU Cert in Mgmt 2000
EXAMS: TECEP Tech Wrtg, Comp II, LA Math, PR, Computers  DSST Computers, Pers Fin  CLEP Mgmt, Mktg
COURSES: TESU Capstone  Study.com Pers Fin, Microecon, Stats  Ed4Credit Acct 2  PF Fin Mgmt  ALEKS Int & Coll Alg  Sophia Proj Mgmt The Institutes - Ins Ethics  Kaplan PLA
#18
(05-27-2018, 04:34 PM)frank.f.franky Wrote:
(05-27-2018, 03:24 AM)Rustydroid Wrote:
(05-26-2018, 08:47 PM)frank.f.franky Wrote: Go for the accounting and get a CPA and you'll never be out of work

You don't need Masters just 150 hours. 

And you don't have to live in the state to sit for the exam in the state.


https://thiswaytocpa.com/licensure/state-requirements/

Best place, IMO or easiest is DC, pass the test and work: "1 year in government, industry, academia or public practice."


That's sort of what i was thinking as well. However my goal does not involve working in accounting but you never know what the future holds. On the last recession about a quarter of my department was laid off. 
I signed up with TESU for their Health Care management degree but I haven't talked to them yet. I work in a Hospital so it sounds like it might please the higher ups. 
My local community college offers a lot of accounting classes and one of the professors is really good at explaining things. He is one of the ones that got me thinking about accounting. First day of class he said that he attended that very same Community College then transferred to a Cal state school to complete his accounting degree. Then he went on to relate how his bro who worked as a waiter went on to get a History degree. 
After they both graduated my professor got a lot of job offers while his bro kept on working as a waiter for some years.

I learned something new, you don't have to be actually in the state to take the exam for the state (i.e. you can sit for DC's CPA exam in Maine). 

http://www.ais-cpa.com/become-a-cpa-with...ng-degree/

Also, you will need a review class to pass, and some count as accounting credit.

https://uwf.edu/continuinged/departments...w-courses/

So for example, with as little as 9 hours of accounting & UWF review class, you could sit for Alaska's CPA exam.   You can also add to resume "Candidate for CPA", which may open some job interviews.

https://www.gleim.com/cpa-review/blog/cp...te-resume/

With a good review class and effort, you'd be on par with anyone with a MS in Accounting.  

A lot of accounting classes don't teach you how to pass the CPA
An MS in Accounting is considered to have much more depth than the CPA. Having seen the Gleim CPA review material, I would not advise anyone to take the minimum amount of credits and a review course to sit for the CPA exams (although the latter is an absolute necessity). I'd really recommend the following (regardless of what your AOS calls for):

Advanced Accounting I and II (this is financial accounting)
Federal Taxation I and II
Auditing I and II (or Auditing and Advanced Auditing)
Cost Accounting I 

The BEC exam also has Macro- and Microeconomics as well as some Financial Management topics.
#19
The CPA exam is uniform, but state's requirements are not. For example, some states do require the MS in order to sit for the CPA exam. Other states don't--the extra 30 credits can be at the undergrad level. Some states allow people to sit after the bachelor's is conferred. Others require 150 credits before sitting. Most states require some work experience, but at least one does not. The amount of work experience differs from state to state. There areother differences as well.
BSBA/Accounting TESU (2016). MSA UIUC (2018).

Need help with portfolios? I earned 18 credits at TESU through portfolio evaluations. Nine of those were for upper level accounting courses. My advice for PLA/portfolios: TESU portfolio tips The first post has the Portfolio Checklist I created. Page ten has the actual narrative I wrote to receive credit for ACC-440.

Using Straighterline's Financial Accounting as a substitute for TESU's Intermediate Accounting I? Don't do it if you are an accounting major and/or want your CPA license. They are not the same course and I think TESU has erred in accepting the SL course as Intermediate I. I made this discovery here: Intermediate Accounting II.
#20
Which one doesn't require experience for a CPA license? I think it's MA, but the licensee in that case is not permitted to sign an audit report. Until July 2015, CO used to issue a license without experience if the applicant had taken additional courses.


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