Please help check over my degree plan for TESU

[davewill]

Please don't feed the troll.

[jsd]

Please don't feed the troll.

haha, you're right. of course i'd end up feeding into this absurdness.

[rlw74]

Wow - this whole thread is so out of character for degreeforum.

My two cents is....
1. I've never seen a derogatory post about CLEP testing from anyone and I've been on the threads since December. I read back through old posts everyday too.
The beauty of this forum is that: those who took CLEP exams can give advice to those who want to take CLEP exams; those who took courses through course providers can give advice to those who want to use a course provider. No one person has taken all of the options to compare them so (in my case) I can't comment on CLEP exams. They wouldn't have worked for me. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't tell someone to use CLEP. (I just recommended a CLEP exam to my brother last week because his school doesn't take ACE credits).

2. I don't know of anyone in this forum who is paid by TESU, WGU, COSC, study.com, straighterline etc EXCEPT the study.com rep who comments on the posts we make asking for new courses or to add something like a dashboard function. And that person (or persons) has never tried to hard sell anything that I can see. If anything, with all the scholarships they give away I wonder how much money they are making from this forum. lol

3. jsd and dfrecore have been extremely helpful to me and others on this forum. I would still be in school if dfrecore hadn't looked through my credits and helped me devise a plan that would fit. On that plan it did show CLEP, DSSTs, and TECEPs as an option. At no point was I told "You should only use this course provider or this testing method".

With all that said, I am so THANKFUL for all of you. I am thankful we have this forum and that there is a lot of support here.

[Ars457123]

Ah, so you lack self-awareness.?

Not half as much as you, I'm sure.

I said I skimmed the initial post, I didn't say that skimming is the nature of the forum. It may or may not be, I don't know other's habits. What I said was the nature of the forum was that no one is obligated to reply to every specific point brought up, and sometimes other issues are discussed in response to what is posted. That's pretty obvious, and you're childish showing right now is a good example of how things aren't always on topic, for better or for worse.?

Major errors aren't some side point, now are they? You're basically admitting that you stay on message for your project and derail if the need arises. That's exactly what I've seen.

No idea what you're saying here. Yes, I jump into a lot of posts, I'm an active member here.

I'm saying Gen Ed courses aren't some side point, for you to pretend otherwise by minimizing it is exactly why no one should listen to you. You jump into a lot of posts with basically the same posts almost verbatim to stay on a message you know nothing about:

unlike CLEP, it's less likely you'd fail anyway).

Again- How would you know?

Somehow I doubt "David Vise" is a "little girl" paid to spam this forum. Unless you're implying you are a little girl and I'm "attacking" you, but I also find this claim dubious.?

You didn't attack only David Vise, sneering "convenient" absolutely implied that they were in it together, and that's understood by anyone who reads that thread. You did attack that girl.

No one would argue this, it's also not what you've been suggesting here, though.?

Check the trash you've written because you've been arguing that from the start. AND you've missed the point, but I'm getting used to your fake obtuseness. I made a contrast between what I do with those online courses and what you do with CLEP, which is talk about it from a position of NO experience.

"I have not once stated CLEP is "hard."

Your kind never does. You've implied every chance you got. And because of the ham-fisted manner that you think is sly, every post mentioning CLEP has post upon post of you going on and on about how CLEP is so [insert negative thing] more than addressing the OP of any given thread that mentions CLEP.

I've said over and over again that it's a great option for many people, but that for me, personally, other options are much more convenient and easier for my, personal, learning style. CLEP

How would you know?

No one here has said anythign bad about CLEP. Some people have given their preference for other options, no one has said CLEP is a bad option, however. Re-read the thread but focus on retention of information.

When you say:

unlike CLEP, it's less likely you'd fail anyway).

What studies are you citing?

No, and I don't see that being done. Giving other options and reasons why you prefer those options is not lecturing. I have no problem with CLEP or people preferring CLEP. Have at it! I've given my reasons why I wasn't interesting in doing CLEPs. That doesn't mean I have anything against them or think others shouldn't, but you don't seem to grasp the difference between having a preference and "attacking" something.

I wrote in the post you are responding to, that baseless reasoning may not be an attack, but it's wrong. No worries, though, I will repeat it as many times as you like. Your baseless reasoning is wrong. Also, I knew you wouldn't be able to answer my question. And you do have something against them. You have a chip on your shoulder for anything that's not an open book test!

"We is specifically the group of people you put me in. You referrred to, specifically a group.

Well, if that's the we you're referring to, then this:

That's why we always include CLEP or DSST in the list of every other alternative we know when we build degree plans and such.

Is flat out wrong. Real inclusion means that it's properly labeled, and the values are represented accurately. Not making a study.com degree plan and slapping the word CLEP as an after thought.

Yes, putting your fingers in your ears is a great approach. No wonder you have no idea what's going on around here.

No, I didn't need to continue because your opinion is uninformed. Like my opinion of the Harvard Extension School, or my opinion on Patten. The only difference is that I don't comment on those schools. You have implied over and over that your baseless opinion is on par with CLEP takers. I hope anyone who would take advice from you is reading and taking note of this!

My post was well after the mother posted, so it was already clear she wasn't involved. You're intentionally just being dishonest now because you've been embarrassed in this thread. If you think I've ever "spammed" this thread, then we're clearly working on different definitions of "spam." I'm not shocked that you're confused about this.

I checked and about this one thing, you are correct, but you absolutely went after that little girl.

As soon as they offer!

So...Jan 2016

This whole temper tantrum you've been throwing here is literally because people have dared to suggest non-CLEP options.

Wrong! It's because you've been misrepresenting CLEP every chance you got, and I've been very clear on that. You're whiny compulsive need to go after every post that makes even the most casual reference to CLEP and reiterate(over and over again) you're own non experience is something much worse than a tantrum, that much is very clear.

Which is precisely why we give multiple options, much to your chagrin, even including CLEP.

LOL, no just no. What I wrote was in reply to this junk:

we often DO recommend CLEP language when appropriate.

It's not up to you decide what's appropriate. Those 'multiple options' are really narrow options that leave out a lot.

[Ars457123]

Again, which is precisely why we give multiple options, even the ones that get you so upset. You're arguing against yourself here, as you are the one insisting CLEP above all.

First off, wanting CLEP to be properly represented is not putting above it all. You're just saying that because you know that when the two are put side by side, many people would naturally choose CLEP, which is why they have all the shrill blatherings that are meant to be disclaimers. The reverse doesn't happen as much with using the same script to many posters in a thread. Second if you are taking it upon yourself to determine when to include courses that person may not know about, you are interfering with their education.

If people want to fit language tests to fill their degree slots, when have I ever spoken out against that? I don't think it's very practical to start from zero, but some people can pick up language quickly so for them this would be a great option. I shouldn't have to address some bizarre strawman since it's literally never something I'd discourage or tell someone not to offer as an option. You bringing it up doesn't bother me, it's a good idea if people already know a language or want to learn it. Why did you think this is your big "gotcha," when I've never on the forum spoken out against it?

even though the post they were replying to was about how we often DO recommend CLEP language when appropriate.

Who determines when it's appropriate, again?
This is you speaking out about not offering language unless it's on your terms, completely backing up that other poster who tried to go after me for simply posting the link, how sad! How can it be a "gotcha" when it's in response to a post that had nothing to do with that poster? If she hadn't brought it up we wouldn't be talking about now. Don't go looking in my past posts for something to go after, then claim I'm playing "gotcha" with you. It doesn't work like that.

[TrailRunr]

I don't like the back and forth argument in this thread. It's not very nice.

But I do agree that the board as a whole has lately been ignoring low hanging fruit on the testing side like the A&I Lit CLEP worth 6 CR at TESU that can be passed cold. I know some folks have test phobias or test centers too far away, but all quick and easy options like A&I Lit CLEP should be just as high on the priority list as the quick and easy ALEKS.

[jsd]

Not half as much as you, I'm sure.

Your "I know you are but what am I" is a nice touch.

Major errors aren't some side point, now are they? You're basically admitting that you stay on message for your project and derail if the need arises. That's exactly what I've seen.

What I said is that i didn't come into the conversation until my i was mentioned by name and my plan was brought up. And I simply mentioned that my plan will soon have different options available. I guess responding to a mention of my name is now also some paid project?

I'm saying Gen Ed courses aren't some side point, for you to pretend otherwise by minimizing it is exactly why no one should listen to you. You jump into a lot of posts with basically the same posts almost verbatim to stay on a message you know nothing about:

I didn't say it was a side point. I said clearly that other side points often get brought up into a thread. Obviously I was replying to side points that involved me. You were free to reply to what you felt was a more pressing issue, as you do. Of course you had to throw a tantrum about it, and now no one is taking you seriously in the thread, but you could have offered the information in an adult way and no one would have objected.

Again- How would you know?

How would I know that my opinion is that it's easier to pass a course when all of the specific info is given to you in a course shell? You really want to ask me how I know what my own opinion and preference is? Because I am familiar with the setup of both and prefer the setup of one. If others like the other setup more, by all means, use that setup! Stop trying to force people to agree with you.

You didn't attack only David Vise, sneering "convenient" absolutely implied that they were in it together, and that's understood by anyone who reads that thread. You did attack that girl.

The thread is still there, my post hasn't been edited. It was made after the girl's mom called out KayV. If you read it that way, fine, but it's pretty obvious you're intentionally trying to mislead others here.

Check the trash you've written because you've been arguing that from the start. AND you've missed the point, but I'm getting used to your fake obtuseness. I made a contrast between what I do with those online courses and what you do with CLEP, which is talk about it from a position of NO experience.

I've done it from the start, yet you can't point out a single instance. Interesting.

Your kind never does. You've implied every chance you got. And because of the ham-fisted manner that you think is sly, every post mentioning CLEP has post upon post of you going on and on about how CLEP is so [insert negative thing] more than addressing the OP of any given thread that mentions CLEP.

And yet, still not an example. I have not said one negative thing about CLEP.

How would you know?

How do I know that something is more convenient for me, cheaper, and better for my learning style? Because I know how far my nearest testing centers are, I know the cost, and I've looked at how CLEP recommends learning material and how what i prefer has provided learning material. For other people, centers might be closer, cheaper options might not exist for what they need, and their style of learning is likely different than me. So they should go with what they like more. Why would I discourage that? Which is why I never have, as much as you are pretending I have.

When you say:


What studies are you citing?

When I state that it is easier to pass when you don't have to rely on a single exam score and on top of that you get the information directly handed to you, that's opinion. I don't need to conduct or cite a formal study for opinion. This is beyond laughable.

I wrote in the post you are responding to, that baseless reasoning may not be an attack, but it's wrong. No worries, though, I will repeat it as many times as you like. Your baseless reasoning is wrong. Also, I knew you wouldn't be able to answer my question. And you do have something against them. You have a chip on your shoulder for anything that's not an open book test!

"CLEP is a good option that I include in my plans and I also offer other options. I prefer the other options for specific opinions I've stated" is somehow "baseless reasoning" now. Gotcha. Quite a stretch. Keep reaching.

Well, if that's the we you're referring to, then this:



Is flat out wrong. Real inclusion means that it's properly labeled, and the values are represented accurately. Not making a study.com degree plan and slapping the word CLEP as an after thought.

Go ahead and actually read the plan i made that is being referenced. You can see that CLEP is the first option mentioned on the plan, and it's listed as an option everywhere that it seems to fit. You can also look at the edit history the plan, it hasm't been edited in anyway to recently add this info. It's always been in there. Once again, you're flat out lying. You were called out and now have to be dishonest to save face. It isn't working. [/QUOTE]

No, I didn't need to continue because your opinion is uninformed. Like my opinion of the Harvard Extension School, or my opinion on Patten. The only difference is that I don't comment on those schools. You have implied over and over that your baseless opinion is on par with CLEP takers. I hope anyone who would take advice from you is reading and taking note of this!

My opinion of CLEP is that it is a fine option for other people, but I chose a different route. I can only hold the opinion that CLEP might work great for others if I've actually tried it myself? Why would I need to take it to see that other people, like you, like the format?

I checked and about this one thing, you are correct, but you absolutely went after that little girl.

You were proven wrong yet repeat the same lie that was proven wrong because you still have hope this one sticks. I think Jennifer did a great job helping that girl and her mom out, and I'm glad she got some helpful info.

So...Jan 2016

Again, which one of the dozen institutions that I recommend do you specifically think I'm being paid by? I'd like to know where to collect my check.

Wrong! It's because you've been misrepresenting CLEP every chance you got, and I've been very clear on that.

Yet can't point out a specific example, except when you whine that my opinion on other options isn't the same as yours.

You're whiny compulsive need to go after every post that makes even the most casual reference to CLEP.

"CLEP is a good option for many," such vicious attacks I've made on them, sure.

LOL, no just no. What I wrote was in reply to this junk:




It's not up to you decide what's appropriate. Those multiple options are really narrow options tha leave out a lot.

Don't pretend that you didn't understand that "when appropriate" meant "when it works in the situation." For example, I'm not going to recommend a math course if someone is looking strictly for a history course, as that wouldn't be appropriate. You're really, really reaching to make this something it's not.

First off, wanting CLEP to be properly represented is not putting above it all. You're just saying that because you know that when the two are put side by side, many people would naturally choose CLEP, which is why they have all the shrill blathering that are meant to be disclaimers.

Except my plan lists CLEP first, and doesn't even mention my opinions about any other options or give disclaimers. So again, you're making things up.

The reverse doesn't happen as much with using the same script to many posters in a thread. Second if you are taking it upon yourself to determine when to include courses that person may not know about, you are interfering with their education.

Any time I've learned of a new option that I know fits one of my plans, I've added it. I've asked for recommendations for things I've missed. I haven't left out any relevant option that I can track down. You're free to point out what's missing if you know of something I've overlooked.

[MD_AJIBULU]

ignoring low hanging fruit on the testing side like the A&I Lit CLEP worth 6 CR at TESU that can be passed cold.

A&I Lit CLEP is worth 6 credits at TESU? *Maniacal laugh*

Life just got so much sweeter

[jsd]

A&I Lit CLEP is worth 6 credits at TESU? *Maniacal laugh*

Life just got so much sweeter

Yeah, it's nice because TESU still accepts it as 6 even though ACE doesn't recommend (or no longer recommends) it for 6, but TESU awards 6 anyway! So if you take it to the other 2 of the Big 3, you don't get as big a bang for your buck, as far as I know. At TESU you do!

[Ars457123]

I'm sorry you're just finding this out. Back when the boards were filled with genuine people, I found out on my first day here.

Also, look over this:
CLEP - College-Level Exam Program