Why Charter Oak State College is better than Thomas Edison State College

[KittenMittens]

Decision Time: It Doesn't Matter Where You Go to College

Elite schools are still mostly attended by wealthy people - Salon.com
Regardless of an elite graduate school degree, undergraduate prestige greatly impacts salary | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt University
9 Problems with Payscale.com's College Rankings (and One Solution) - Around Learning
https://kelchenoneducation.wordpress.com...e-trusted/

It's not just income that people look at. It's better job opportunities, better networking opportunities, and better opportunities for graduate school where the incomes DO end up drastically different. An MBA from a no name college will not land you a job paying $150,000 out of the program unlike Harvard MBA or Wharton MBA. A person doesn't have to go to an ivy league school to succeed – but it's silly to believe that all these rich people who send their kids to elite schools are "idiots." They know that in life, that it's just not only how much you make, but how you make it, and where you make it too.

Statistically, you have a far better chance of getting into a better graduate program from **spoiler alert** a better ranked school even with a lower GPA. That's because graduate programs know that a hard school like Johns Hopkins or MIT where there is no grade inflation, the competition is fierce, and professors don't give out As very easily. You can check this out yourself by checking a course out on OpenMIT for instance and see how in-depth and difficult a course is. As for grade inflation at Harvard - well, these are already some of the best and brightest students out there who already proved themselves in high school with 99% SAT scores, class valedictorians, etc. Most people at Harvard go on to doing incredible things, and if grade inflation is impacting their education, well then why are so many of their students fundamentally changing the world as we speak? Yes, they are on a different league of their own, whether it's fair or not, but it is what it is. Now grade inflation at an extremely low ranked institution can and should create concern over real academic ability - there ARE instructors, courses (like Penn Foster), etc. where you really don't learn anything. I don't think that's the case so much at institutions at Harvard where students are naturally more driven, educated, and yes smarter so they can get away with. I'm not saying that grade inflation is right, but at a school like Harvard, it's not impacting the contributions their graduates are making to the world.

People like to get offended when they think their own intelligence is being slighted somehow when being compared to people that went to top tier institutions. But people are always going to be like that. It's humbling to admit that a program produces better candidates, and it's probably better to emulate those types of people in their habits, work ethic, and way they learn too perhaps. Those people at those programs have proven their worth through hard work, rigorous standardized examinations, and extracurricular activity. That is not easy by any means, but their efforts DO pay off in the long run – to deny that and say that all colleges are equal is absurd.

And does it matter where you go for graduate school? In a non-technical field it matters greatly – it's not the end all be all, but it matters as far as income potential goes in general. A person going to a tier 1 law school versus a tier 4 will have a significant difference in quickly obtaining good job opportunities and high paying opportunities as well. Of course, this is all moot when it comes to state and federal jobs, where they don't seem to care as much, but in the private sector they absolutely do. You can do it it through the tier 4 program but you will have to deal with more barriers and difficulties possibly waiting longer before you reach that point. Considering how the business and legal industry are very sensitive to "brand name," this isn't a shell shocker.

[SteveFoerster]

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” — Bertrand Russell

Sorry, it just came to mind for some reason....

[KittenMittens]

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” — Bertrand Russell

Sorry, it just came to mind for some reason....

That's funny coming from yourself; what exactly are you doing with your PhD in "Leadership", sir? Anyways, I digress, let the haters hate as they say, strawmans, ad hominem attacks, and poorly constructed/reasoned arguments everywhere particularly when someone astutely addresses the status quo - forums are always going to have hardliners and fanaticists, the ones who don't see the big picture, and are practically blinded by their own insecurities. My advice isn't for the people who spend all their time on the forums and have the time to read a textbook from beginning to end, who already obtained their degrees, this isn't for the people who are getting their graduate degrees in "Leadership" and may possibly be insecure about their credentials, and so forth. People want to be right for the sake of being right, and don't like to be told that they are possibly incorrect (as evidenced above) for fear of being seen as possibly "stupid."

Let the independent student dictate what is best for him/her. Not because it may hurt or offend the feelings of some internet strangers, or because it may stroke the ego of some forum users the wrong way. I am sure my information and advice will prove useful for many people in the future, but you can't make everyone happy in the process in doing so. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

Best of luck.

[Exfactor]

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” — Bertrand Russell

Sorry, it just came to mind for some reason....

Anyways, I digress, let the haters hate as they say, strawmans, ad hominem attacks, and poorly constructed/reasoned arguments everywhere particularly when someone astutely addresses the status quo - forums are always going to have hardliners and fanaticists, the ones who don't see the big picture, and are practically blinded by their own insecurities.

[KittenMittens]

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Like others have said "Exfactor":

"I was trying to get information on Excelsior and came across this. I cannot believe how defensive and redundant you are, Exfactor, get a life you ignorant jackass. Everyone knows a BA in Psych is more common, and not better or worse than a BS, just different. Get over yourself and off your damn high horse. God you're annoying. And that is all." - Kaz

"That other poster was right. You are redundant. I'm not going to argue the same points with you over and over again, and I'm frankly getting tired of looking at those stupid and immature gifs that add nothing to the discussion. I have a boyfriend, by the way. I guess you aren't as psychic as I am. Anyway, this argument ended when I proved that most Yale psychology doctoral students have BAs. I don't know if your friends were giving you misinformation or you were just making up stuff to further your argument hoping that I wouldn't be able to verify. Go on and call me names all you want because you can't have a civil discussion; they don't phase me. Challenging information that people are putting out there is not trolling. Yes, I'm trying to test out of science credits mostly for personal fulfillment. The associate's I'm trying to earn has nothing to do with my future career prospects. If you think your butt-in-seat, hard science courses somehow make you better than me, I'll let you think that if it makes you feel better. I'm not a natural scientist and have no plans of ever becoming one. In the end, you finished at a no-name school just like 99% of the other people on this forum. You're also attending a no-name graduate school just like many of the others on here, but keep on gassing yourself up.

I dumped that boyfriend, but I guess you're just going to ignore that. You are not making yourself look good by calling me a thot and a tranny. What do you know about me that makes me a thot? I'm not even 30, so how am I old? Really? What is wrong with you? Are you seriously going to attack the 30 and 40 year olds who agree with me? What is wrong with them being in their 30s and 40s? What is with this ageism and sexism from a psychology major? You can attack me all you want, but now you're attacking innocent people who have done nothing to you. Just because they agree with me and not you, they don't have their own minds? Come on. What makes the people who agree with you, if they even exist because now we know you make stuff up, non-minions who have their own minds?

I wonder what those four people think of you now that it's been demonstrated that you can't get your point across without using foul language and personally attacking innocent people. For those who don't know, "thot" means "that hoe over there." I want those four people to come out and cosign this display of classlessness." - Sanantone

So far you've proven that you are a racist, sexist, a troll, and more interestingly, insecure, and emotionally sensitive as hell. What's up with all the random gifs btw - did you never take a collegiate level writing course and unable to express your frustrations in a form others generally find easily communicable? Doesn't matter, because I'll be putting you on ignore now.

[Exfactor]

Blah Blah Blah Blah

Blah Blah Blah

Blah Blah Blah

Yet, I have you pounding on your fat fingers, frustrated, seething, and searching past post because you're upset, no one on this site takes you serious. Sit and spin. You made a fool of yourself in your very first post, you have done nothing but created paragraphs of nonsense trying to persuade us of why you are right, just paragraphs of dumbness. A big old dummy is what you are.


Now put them fingers back to use and research that



You are so late, old and dry....

Now remain being the pressed fool that you are because its obvious I have your mind, and I'm not giving it back to you.





[COLOR="#FF0000"]And the nerve of you to question our degrees, and ask if I have taken an collegiate level writing course, when you have a degree from a University in India, when such degrees aren't even worth the paper they are written on. In Australia and New Zealand Indian doctors and engineers make up the bulk of taxi drivers, yet our degrees are worthless.
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Bye Ritvik.

[bluebooger]

nothing really worth quoting

you need a time out

[Exfactor]

A post about nothing.

Now tell Ritvik to put his fat fingers back to work, to research me some more... All on my profile page, going through my entire post history. He has allowed strangers to put him all in his feelings.

[soliloquy]

Elite schools are still mostly attended by wealthy people - Salon.com
Regardless of an elite graduate school degree, undergraduate prestige greatly impacts salary | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt University
9 Problems with Payscale.com's College Rankings (and One Solution) - Around Learning
https://kelchenoneducation.wordpress.com...e-trusted/

It's not just income that people look at. It's better job opportunities, better networking opportunities, and better opportunities for graduate school where the incomes DO end up drastically different. An MBA from a no name college will not land you a job paying $150,000 out of the program unlike Harvard MBA or Wharton MBA. A person doesn't have to go to an ivy league school to succeed – but it's silly to believe that all these rich people who send their kids to elite schools are "idiots." They know that in life, that it's just not only how much you make, but how you make it, and where you make it too.

Statistically, you have a far better chance of getting into a better graduate program from **spoiler alert** a better ranked school even with a lower GPA. That's because graduate programs know that a hard school like Johns Hopkins or MIT where there is no grade inflation, the competition is fierce, and professors don't give out As very easily. You can check this out yourself by checking a course out on OpenMIT for instance and see how in-depth and difficult a course is. As for grade inflation at Harvard - well, these are already some of the best and brightest students out there who already proved themselves in high school with 99% SAT scores, class valedictorians, etc. Most people at Harvard go on to doing incredible things, and if grade inflation is impacting their education, well then why are so many of their students fundamentally changing the world as we speak? Yes, they are on a different league of their own, whether it's fair or not, but it is what it is. Now grade inflation at an extremely low ranked institution can and should create concern over real academic ability - there ARE instructors, courses (like Penn Foster), etc. where you really don't learn anything. I don't think that's the case so much at institutions at Harvard where students are naturally more driven, educated, and yes smarter so they can get away with. I'm not saying that grade inflation is right, but at a school like Harvard, it's not impacting the contributions their graduates are making to the world.

People like to get offended when they think their own intelligence is being slighted somehow when being compared to people that went to top tier institutions. But people are always going to be like that. It's humbling to admit that a program produces better candidates, and it's probably better to emulate those types of people in their habits, work ethic, and way they learn too perhaps. Those people at those programs have proven their worth through hard work, rigorous standardized examinations, and extracurricular activity. That is not easy by any means, but their efforts DO pay off in the long run – to deny that and say that all colleges are equal is absurd.

And does it matter where you go for graduate school? In a non-technical field it matters greatly – it's not the end all be all, but it matters as far as income potential goes in general. A person going to a tier 1 law school versus a tier 4 will have a significant difference in quickly obtaining good job opportunities and high paying opportunities as well. Of course, this is all moot when it comes to state and federal jobs, where they don't seem to care as much, but in the private sector they absolutely do. You can do it it through the tier 4 program but you will have to deal with more barriers and difficulties possibly waiting longer before you reach that point. Considering how the business and legal industry are very sensitive to "brand name," this isn't a shell shocker.

I'm not as invested in this conversation as you are so my response will be short. I just don't think this is a topic about which one can be dogmatic because there are competing views on the issues and both sides have merit.

[bluebooger]

still nothing

so mods,
enough proof this thread should be locked and Exfactor needs a one week ban