Using credits from one undergrad degree to apply to another undergrad

[videogamesrock]

I guess you could plan a path where you take your alternative sources of credits do not take any in-house classes and transfer them in simultaneously to all three of the big three schools. It would violate the catalog rules however technically you could tripled dip and graduate with three associates and three bachelors.

[hightecrebel]

I guess you could plan a path where you take your alternative sources of credits do not take any in-house classes and transfer them in simultaneously to all three of the big three schools. It would violate the catalog rules however technically you could tripled dip and graduate with three associates and three bachelors.

Yes, and upon discovery of the violation all three colleges would likely revoke the six degrees.

[videogamesrock]

Highly unlikely they would find out about 3 degrees. 2 is very common so nothing suspicious there either. They are colleges not the NSA, they don't have people snooping around for that sort of stuff. If they do request your education credentials elswhere, they would need your permission which of course you wouldn't give.

I would say to pull that off as long as you do not have any credits taken at the big 3 and you use sources from outside, since you are transferring that stuff in, there is little to no trail that leads to other degrees. They mainly rely on the honor system. Then take the capstone if necessary and enjoy the degrees (if it's worth the cost).

[sanantone]

They don't need to be the NSA to find out. There is the National Student Clearinghouse, and I don't think they need your permission to check it.

Edit: Nope. They don't need your permission.

The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, known as FERPA, protects the privacy interests of students in their education records. It controls the disclosure of a student's personally identifiable information from education records without the consent of the parent or eligible student. As part of the StudentTracker for High Schools service, districts disclose personally identifiable information about their high school students to the National Student Clearinghouse. The Clearinghouse compares the data to the postsecondary student records of its more than 3,600 participating colleges and universities. It transmits to districts aggregate reports and detailed records of the college enrollment of their high school alumni, identifying colleges where they enrolled, attendance dates and degrees earned.

In order to disclose personally identifiable information and be compliant with FERPA, the school designates the Clearinghouse as a "school official" only for the specific purposes specified in the agreement. This means that the Clearinghouse can receive both directory, non-directory and blocked information, but must respect the school's directory information definition and blocks within the work it performs on behalf of the school. FERPA also specifically allows schools to conduct research that would permit it to improve instruction of future students. The agreements between schools and the Clearinghouse meet the requirements for both of these exceptions to the consent requirement for the release of student records. - See more at: http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/high...9zpxJ.dpuf

Yes. The U.S. Department of Education has stated that a school's release of personally identifiable information from student education records to the Clearinghouse does not violate the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). Their letter is available upon request. - See more at: http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/coll...iMXnJ.dpuf

[videogamesrock]

They don't need to be the NSA to find out. There is the National Student Clearinghouse, and I don't think they need your permission to check it.

They wouldn't go through that much trouble. They'd have to guess where you may have gotten a degree from, which is like looking for a needle in a haystack. The service costs $12.45 which isn't cost effective to ping every school in the nation. Plus there should be zero suspicion if you are simply transferring in credits from outside sources like Ace and a former CC. The school also would need permission from you directly to request verification.

For example there are some nursing students who decide to not list on their application all of their former colleges where they have taken biology before. Especially when there is a limit on how many times you can take it to be accepted into a program.

[sanantone]

They wouldn't go through that much trouble. They'd have to guess where you may have gotten a degree from, which is like looking for a needle in a haystack. The service costs $12.45 which isn't cost effective to ping every school in the nation. Plus there should be zero suspicion if you are simply transferring in credits from outside sources like Ace and a former CC. The school also would need permission from you directly to request verification.

A school does not need your permission to check. They do not need to track every school you have possibly attended. All they need is your identifying information so that the National Student Clearinghouse can pull up all of your current and past enrollments. 3,600 schools voluntarily supply this information to NSC. The service is not that expensive, especially considering that most schools charge $40-$100 application fees.

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600-2,999
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[videogamesrock]

A school does not need your permission to check. They do not need to track every school you have possibly attended. All they need is your identifying information so that the National Student Clearinghouse can pull up all of your current and past enrollments. 3,600 schools voluntarily supply this information to NSC. The service is not that expensive, especially considering that most schools charge $40-$100 application fees.

There is no need for a school to snoop around. They are way too busy for that.

[sanantone]

Some schools don't bother to check, but some do. Like I said, it's not a difficult process. Do you really want to take the chance that your school might not be one that checks? It sounds like COSC does check.

Below said 95 percent of all college attendance records are documented in the National Student Clearinghouse, a centralized database in the U.S. If a student applies at Southeast who did not just graduate from high school, Southeast has access to the National Student Clearinghouse system, called Student Tracker, which allows Southeast to view other colleges and universities that a student attended.

"On a college side we want to know everywhere they have attended," Below said. "I don't think all universities go to that extent and check the National Student Clearinghouse the same way, but we do because we know it's common for students to not disclose all the universities that they have attended. However, on an international landscape, obviously there is not a centralized database that tells us if a student has attended somewhere else."

The Arrow: Local News: University officials say they correctly followed admission process in Nafis case (11/05/12)

If your institution participates in our free DegreeVerify and EnrollmentVerify services and reports additional data elements, you will receive StudentTracker at no cost. - See more at: StudentTracker | National Student Clearinghouse

I haven't used the service before, but tracking a student could possibly be as easy as entering a name, date of birth, and social security number. Other parts of the admissions process take much longer than that.

[videogamesrock]

Some schools don't bother to check, but some do. Like I said, it's not a difficult process. Do you really want to take the chance that your school might not be one that checks? It sounds like COSC does check.
The Arrow: Local News: University officials say they correctly followed admission process in Nafis case (11/05/12)
I haven't used the service before, but tracking a student could possibly be as easy as entering a name, date of birth, and social security number. Other parts of the admissions process take much longer than that.

I just emailed the Student Clearinghouse to see about the process. According to their sample report it only shows attendance time frames and any degrees awarded. My suggestion is graduate everywhere at the same time. Plus it is not too uncommon to be enrolled at multiple schools at the same time. The verification is done during the enrollment process it seems or like in the article when there is a problem student.

According to the Student Clearinghouse, the information only loads if the school or student is not blocking the information. So privacy can be achieved.

I'd be seriously concerned if anyone can run this. This would open up to a hole new way of identity theft. Education identity theft. Could you imagine if I ran my name and dob in the system just to find out that someone who has the same name and dob as I do and has a degree somewhere. Holy smokes!

[sanantone]

I just emailed the Student Clearinghouse to see about the process. According to their sample report it only shows attendance time frames and any degrees awarded. My suggestion is graduate everywhere at the same time. Plus it is not too uncommon to be enrolled at multiple schools at the same time. The verification is done during the enrollment process it seems or like in the article when there is a problem student.

That's enough to tell you're enrolled somewhere else.

I'd be seriously concerned if anyone can run this. This would open up to a hole new way of identity theft. Education identity theft. Could you imagine if I ran my name and dob in the system just to find out that someone who has the same name and dob as I do and has a degree somewhere. Holy smokes!

I think you need more information than that. Your social security number shouldn't be out there. If it is, then you have bigger problems. Besides, schools don't have to ask for permission, but I think employers do. I don't think just anyone can pay and use their services to check other people's records.