Did anyone notice the new TESC equivalencies for Straighterline courses?

[B5T7O0]

Does anyone know if the upper level course equivalencies in the link on the first post of this thread are honored by TESC? I have looked up some of these courses on the ACE website, and they list Business Ethics, Organizational Behavior, Principles of Management, and Business Communications, as lower level.

[sanantone]

TESC does not follow ACE or any other recommendations for the level of courses.

[publius2k4]

TESC does not follow ACE or any other recommendations for the level of courses.

COSC is the same way. At TESC, DSST Criminal Justice is upper level, but at COSC, it is lower level.

[B5T7O0]

Thank you.
I am serving as my daughter's college guidance counselor, and wanted to be sure about these particular courses. She graduated from high school this past spring, and now has 54 CLEP credits. She will be taking 2 or 3 more CLEPs (12-18 hours), a couple of ALEX courses (6 hours), and we are looking at SL and/or Pilgrim Theological Seminary to fill in the remaining 33-39 credits. We wanted to be sure that those listed as equivalent to UL will actually transfer as UL. We would like to have most, if not all these credits in hand before registering with TESC for the Liberal Arts Capstone. Her areas of concentration will likely be Literature and Business, and her goal is to register with TESC within 12-18 months, depending on finances.

[sanantone]

COSC is the same way. At TESC, DSST Criminal Justice is upper level, but at COSC, it is lower level.

The DSST is not UL at TESC, but it is at EC because that's the ACE recommendation.

[cannoda]

I don't know how long these have been up, but I just noticed them last night.

Straighterline course to TESC

Financial accounting - Intermediate Accounting I

There is no way in hell that Straighterline's ACC 151 should correspond to an intermediate accounting course. I don't know who did the equivalencies, but Straighterline's syllabus is for a first course in financial accounting. Either the syllabus is wrong or someone made a big mistake.

[sanantone]

Thank you.
I am serving as my daughter's college guidance counselor, and wanted to be sure about these particular courses. She graduated from high school this past spring, and now has 54 CLEP credits. She will be taking 2 or 3 more CLEPs (12-18 hours), a couple of ALEX courses (6 hours), and we are looking at SL and/or Pilgrim Theological Seminary to fill in the remaining 33-39 credits. We wanted to be sure that those listed as equivalent to UL will actually transfer as UL. We would like to have most, if not all these credits in hand before registering with TESC for the Liberal Arts Capstone. Her areas of concentration will likely be Literature and Business, and her goal is to register with TESC within 12-18 months, depending on finances.

The only way she can do this at TESC is with the Bachelor of Science in a Learner Designed Area of Study. There is no other way for her to pair literature (a liberal arts subject) with business (an applied professional subject). Organizational Behavior can count as a social science, and Business Communications can count as humanities, but most business courses cannot be used for the same kinds of majors literature can be used for.

There is no way in hell that Straighterline's ACC 151 should correspond to an intermediate accounting course. I don't know who did the equivalencies, but Straighterline's syllabus is for a first course in financial accounting. Either the syllabus is wrong or someone made a big mistake.

TESC has already determined that Accounting I and II are Financial and Managerial Accounting. Managerial Accounting has long been Cost Accounting. TESC used to count ALEKS Business Statistics as Operations Management; and, now, they are doing the same with Saylor's Business Statistics. That's just the way they are. They could change their mind in the future.

[cannoda]

. . .TESC has already determined that Accounting I and II are Financial and Managerial Accounting. Managerial Accounting has long been Cost Accounting. TESC used to count ALEKS Business Statistics as Operations Management; and, now, they are doing the same with Saylor's Business Statistics. That's just the way they are. They could change their mind in the future.

I'm saying that TESC is flat wrong in treating Financial Accounting as Intermediate Accounting and Managerial Accounting as cost accounting course. I have looked at the syllabi for Straighterline's Accounting I and II, and Financial And Managerial Accounting course. The Accounting I and II sequence, and the Financial and Managerial Accounting sequence both cover the standard first-year accounting curriculum required of all business majors, albeit the material is covered in a different order. Typically, community colleges offer the Accounting I and II sequence, while four-year schools usually offer Financial and Managerial Accounting. This is not a hard and fast rule - there are many exceptions to this but the point is that the two-course sequence covers the same material.

Most schools will accept the completed Accounting I and II sequence in transfer for the financial and managerial accounting sequence and vice versa. An attempt to transfer just one of the courses to a school using the other sequence can be problematic. If the transfer was allowed without carefully reviewing the syllabus of the Accounting I or II course, the student would likely see some topics twice and never see certain others.

The separate financial and managerial accounting courses are standard courses. For schools whose first-year accounting curriculum utilize a separate financial and managerial course, these courses are readily transferable regardless of whether one or both have been taken.

The Accounting I and II sequence is more of a crapshoot - what is covered in each course depends on the textbook and/or school.

There are some schools that offer a Financial REPORTING course that is equivalent to intermediate accounting.

I suspect that an accounting professor was not involved in determining these equivalencies. I know that TESC often marches to the beat of a different drummer, but I don't believe that they really intend to treat duplicate courses as a higher level treatment of a subject. I can tell you that if someone wanted to use courses to quality for the CPA exam, the accountancy board is unlikely to treat the Managerial course as cost accounting, or the financial accounting course as intermediate accounting.