The Duggars and CollegePlus

[Westerner]

I doubt that most colleges attack Christian morals and that's not a good reason to choose distance learning because there are Christian colleges. There are several Christian colleges that offer online programs. I believe that CP works with Liberty University (might as well cut the middle man out in this case). Anyway, that still has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Actually, it does. CP introduced us and many others to the Big 3, which are preferable because they allow lots of transfer credits and don't require on campus classes, which I wanted to avoid anyway (another debate topic). Even Liberty doesn't accept as many as they do. So, CP led us to TESC; DF did not lead us to TESC. In that way, CP is responsible for the distance learning degrees of its students who it directs to the Big 3.

Brucet3, I don't work for CP. I'm, as Mrs. B said, a satisfied customer. I don't get paid to say good things about CP. I say them because I'm grateful for the company and want to correct whatever misperceptions I can.

[sanantone]

Actually, it does. CP introduced us and many others to the Big 3, which are preferable because they allow lots of transfer credits and don't require on campus classes, which I wanted to avoid anyway (another debate topic). Even Liberty doesn't accept as many as they do. So, CP led us to TESC; DF did not lead us to TESC. In that way, CP is responsible for the distance learning degrees of its students who it directs to the Big 3.

Brucet3, I don't work for CP. I'm, as Mrs. B said, a satisfied customer. I don't get paid to say good things about CP. I say them because I'm gradual for the company and want to correct whatever misperceptions I can.

I would say that CP also recommends Liberty because there is a limit to what you can almost completely test out of at the Big 3. Your "calling" may not be a profession that requires a degree in liberal arts/studies, history, psychology, social science, business, humanities, or natural science. I know that one of the Duggars is working on a degree in political science and you can't even come close to completely testing out of that.

But you are still missing the point. It has nothing to do with what I was talking about. CP cannot provide a Christian education in a college environment because it is not a college. The Big 3 are not Christian schools and CP is advising you to test out of most of your courses anyway. There is no way you can magically turn CBEs into courses with the Christian worldview.

[topdog98]

Actually, it is very easy to turn CBEs into courses with a Christian worldview. I do this every time. You can use whatever you like to study for these exams, so I always use a Christian text in my studies. I am not saying that I do not use secular sources, too, but I try to also get a Biblical viewpoint. I have Christian resources for history, literature, science, and even business, so it is really not hard at all to turn CBEs into courses with a Christian worldview. Part of the beauty of CBEs is the flexibility that you can study for them in the way that suits you best. This suits me best. Now, to prove that I am not trying to be argumentative, I will concede that I personally don't need CP to help me do this (but someone might).

[IrishJohn]

If this thread doesn't get at least another 3 or 4 more pages well then we'll just have to beat this dead horse harder! :leaving:

[sanantone]

Actually, it is very easy to turn CBEs into courses with a Christian worldview. I do this every time. You can use whatever you like to study for these exams, so I always use a Christian text in my studies. I am not saying that I do not use secular sources, too, but I try to also get a Biblical viewpoint. I have Christian resources for history, literature, science, and even business, so it is really not hard at all to turn CBEs into courses with a Christian worldview. Part of the beauty of CBEs is the flexibility that you can study for them in the way that suits you best. This suits me best. Now, to prove that I am not trying to be argumentative, I will concede that I personally don't need CP to help me do this (but someone might).

I study what's supposed to be on the test so that I can pass.

[Westerner]

But you are still missing the point. It has nothing to do with what I was talking about. CP cannot provide a Christian education in a college environment because it is not a college. The Big 3 are not Christian schools and CP is advising you to test out of most of your courses anyway. There is no way you can magically turn CBEs into courses with the Christian worldview.

Obviously. But see Topdog98's post. CBEs are better than traditional or online classes because all you need to do is learn the info, and you can use a host of different sources; you don't get a professor's opinions interjected into the whole subject. CP recommends Christian sources in order for students to learn the truth about what they're studying, so they can make the most of college. But this is kind of a tangent

Bottom line: CP most definitely is legitimate, and is fulfilling the needs of many people, Christian or not. It was what started me on my distance learning path to a college degree, and I'm ready and willing to share about it to anyone who wants to know.

If Sanantone wants to keep discussing this, I'm all for it. If not, that's fine too.

[Westerner]

I study what's supposed to be on the test so that I can pass.

Yeah. But it doesn't hurt to round out the subject and get a fuller understanding by studying from other sources too. After all, you're in college to learn And for Christian students, that includes Christian sources.

[sanantone]

If this thread doesn't get at least another 3 or 4 more pages well then we'll just have to beat this dead horse harder! :leaving:

I always skip over threads that are of no interest to me. People are free to post/not post, read/not read...

Obviously. But see Topdog98's post. CBEs are better than traditional or online classes because all you need to do is learn the info, and you can use a host of different sources; you don't get a professor's opinions interjected into the whole subject. CP recommends Christian sources in order for students to learn the truth about what they're studying, so they can make the most of college. But this is kind of a tangent

Bottom line: CP most definitely is legitimate, and is fulfilling the needs of many people, Christian or not. It was what started me on my distance learning path to a college degree, and I'm ready and willing to share about it to anyone who wants to know.

If Sanantone wants to keep discussing this, I don't mind. If not, that's fine too.

CP isn't doing the teaching though. You are self-studying by using materials developed by other people/organizations. Subjects like history and the other social sciences can be somewhat subjective. I'm going to study what I need in order to pass the CLEP or other CBE, not something that is going to throw me off. When I have time, I read other materials of interest as a hobby. I don't need a company to tell me which books to read. I try to read from all sides of an issue so that I can try to determine who is telling the truth. Just because a writer claims to be Christian does not mean he or she is telling the truth. Not all Christians agree on everything. Most of what I've studied in history really has nothing to do with pro-Christian vs. anti-Christian views. It's mostly about the winners vs. the losers. The winners usually get to tell their story.

[Westerner]

Well, that's the beauty of testing out--flexibility You can do targeted study, pass tests, and move on, OR you can go slower and research more. Also, CP has 3 Leadership courses and 3 other courses for students to take. If you wanted to get a solid Christian education as well as a Big 3 degree, it's easy to do with those. In fact, if you take all 6 CP courses, that's equal to a pretty good "Christian college" education, don't you think?

[sanantone]

Well, that's the beauty of testing out--flexibility You can do targeted study, pass tests, and move on, OR you can go slower and research more. Also, CP has 3 Leadership courses and 3 other courses for students to take. If you wanted to get a solid Christian education as well as a Big 3 degree, it's easy to do with those. In fact, if you take all 6 CP courses, that's equal to a pretty good "Christian college" degree, don't you think?

No. LOL. That's only 18 credits.