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Another Ray of Sunshine In the Job Market! - Basket Weaver - 12-09-2009
I know there are some on the forum trying to find a job, here's the latest report concerning degreed job applicants. I don't mean to be a harbinger of doom and gloom but I've been saying this same thing since I finished my degrees. Hopefully this will eventually turn around!
College Degrees More Expensive, Worth Less in Job Market - Yahoo! News
An excerpt:
Quote:The problem isn't just a soft job market - it's an oversupply of graduates. In 1973, a bachelor's degree was more of a rarity, since just 47% of high school graduates went on to college. By October 2008, that number had risen to nearly 70%. For many Americans today, a trip through college is considered as much of a birthright as a driver's license.
Another Ray of Sunshine In the Job Market! - JanusthePhoenix - 12-09-2009
It's kind of like downward price inelasticity, isn't it? You can increase the number of graduates, but when you go to raise the bar and weed out the less qualified ones people would freak out about "plummeting graduation rates". So we get college degree inflation.
Edit: not the most accurate metaphor in the world, but you get the idea...
Another Ray of Sunshine In the Job Market! - 94steve - 12-09-2009
JanusthePhoenix Wrote:It's kind of like downward price inelasticity, isn't it? You can increase the number of graduates, but when you go to raise the bar and weed out the less qualified ones people would freak out about "plummeting graduation rates". So we get college degree inflation.
Edit: not the most accurate metaphor in the world, but you get the idea...
College is ridiculous. At my brother's graduation this June one of the speakers came out and said "the value of a college education is that it teaches you how to think" and "the only people who fail to see the value of a college education are those who do not have one." Of course I was insulted and incensed and about 6 weeks later I took CLEP numero uno.
It is essentially a screening tool for the desk driving world. It says "Hi, I showed up for 4 years, stuck with it, and I'm literate to boot." It makes sense in a sick sad sort of way. I mean if you don't put a stipulation in a job posting stating that the position requires a BA you're going to have many more resume's to pick through and no credential that certifies that the candidate is literate and can stick with something. Social promotions and compulsory attendance ruined the HS diploma in that respect.
Many employers now demand an internship of some sort to in order to even be considered for an entry level job. So not only do you have to sit through 4 years of school and spend anywhere from 40-160,000 (plus opportunity cost) on a 4 year degree, our friends in corporate America expect you to work at slave tasks, for slave wages, or the ultimate slave wage of 0$/hr in order to gain "experience." So after all is said and done, your slave labor + 40-160k expenditure earns you what? The right to stare at an excel spreadsheet in a cube for 50 hours a week for 30-40k/yr? Or perhaps you can go to law school, take on another 160k of debt + opportunity cost, and then do temporary document review for $35-$28 and hour with no benefits? Or maybe you can work for free( Temporary Attorney: The Sweatshop Edition: Slave Labor )?
If it wasn't for this forum I'd be happily degreeless or in community college taking 9 credits worth of ceramics so I can collect that VA post 9-11 GI bill housing allowance. I chose to learn a trade while I was in the USCG and that decision is now paying huge dividends. Am I going to use my degree to doff my blue collar? Perhaps someday, but they're going to have to beat my current hourly rate + benefits + pension + annuity + OT. I will not be having any of that "Well we know it's a pay cut and you'll be working more, and you'll no longer have union representation but it's such a great opportunity!" crap.
Anyway, thanks for listening to my rant!!! Ciao!
Another Ray of Sunshine In the Job Market! - Ruddigore - 12-10-2009
94steve Wrote:College is ridiculous. At my brother's graduation this June one of the speakers came out and said "the value of a college education is that it teaches you how to think" and "the only people who fail to see the value of a college education are those who do not have one." Of course I was insulted and incensed and about 6 weeks later I took CLEP numero uno.Judging by the number of CLEPs and DSSTs you've taken, and what you've scored on them, I'd say that you're able to think.
Pity that people without college educations can't see the value of said education. Makes it difficult to be motivated to obtain a degree, doesn't it?
Another Ray of Sunshine In the Job Market! - Basket Weaver - 12-10-2009
Ruddigore Wrote:Pity that people without college educations can't see the value of said education. Makes it difficult to be motivated to obtain a degree, doesn't it?
Many people with college degrees are finding it hard to find the value in them, especially those that are unemployed in a saturated job market. Still, it's better to have one than not.