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Problems with bad AI checkers - David1477 - 07-31-2024
I'm currently doing an OTHM Level 7 Diploma in Accounting and Finance, and the school requires me to use plagiarismcheck.org.
I wrote my assignment without AI, but in a very neutral, descriptive, and impersonal way (which I believe is normal in academia). Since English is not my first language, I probably have more "text book style" transitions and phrases than the average native English speaker.
The school requires me to use the paid checking feature of the site to generate a plagiarism/AI report.
I got 70+% AI on all the things I wrote. I tried to rewrite it and even tried to use "humanizer" tools on the text I didn't even generate through AI... The percentage only went up, not down.
Should I really just rewrite the whole thing in a more stupid and unprofessional way in the hopes of not being flagged?
How do you guys deal with such issues? I feel like in an online environment it is difficult to prove your innocence if the school accepts only a single checker. I had 0% AI on the QuiltBot AI checker (a free tool), but the school only cares about the report from that site, which continues to cause me issues, and I didn't figure out a way to change my text in a way that doesn't get flagged as AI while still sounding somewhat academic/professional.
Talking to the school didn't help, if that's what you'd like to suggest. I already tried that several times. It feels so stupid to drop a course that's going well due to such a stupid issue, so I really hope someone here knows a possible solution or has experience with this AI checker.
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - ltw900rr - 07-31-2024
The only plagiarism tool that I have experience with is turnitin.com. That is what TAMUC had when submitting essays. Once it gave your paper a score, you could see what the program had flagged as plagiarism. If my percentage was too high, I could reword parts of my paper if needed, or make sure that I had cited my sources correctly.
70% is a very high score from what I experienced with Turnitin.
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - David1477 - 07-31-2024
(07-31-2024, 04:35 AM)ltw900rr Wrote: The only plagiarism tool that I have experience with is turnitin.com. That is what TAMUC had when submitting essays. Once it gave your paper a score, you could see what the program had flagged as plagiarism. If my percentage was too high, I could reword parts of my paper if needed, or make sure that I had cited my sources correctly.
70% is a very high score from what I experienced with Turnitin.
Thanks for your reply.
The plagiarism checker function of this site didn't cause me any problems. It marked some very strange things from weird sources, but I ended up below the allowed threshold each time. The AI percentage score from this site is what causes my problems.
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - ss20ts - 07-31-2024
AI scores from these software companies have been claimed to be bogus by many students. Even TurnItIn's plagiarism check can be complete junk. It flags my name with every paper I submit. Citations are often flagged. I've had my entire reference page flagged more than once. How does one plagiarize references?
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - hsufeng - 07-31-2024
I encountered the same problem. I compared many different articles and found that unless I have the writing level of a native speaker, textbook writing will always get a high AI score... But it is almost impossible for me to write with emotion or use some authentic expressions. AI's English level is much higher than mine. It is difficult for me to write at a style that surpasses AI level.
When I find that I can be 100% sure that the content written by non-native speakers will be highly marked as AI work, I will most likely give up the course. This is meaningless. The current course evaluation should focus more on the point of view of the assignment itself, or adopt some evaluation methods that are difficult to use AI. Instead of finding ways to embarrass students.
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - David1477 - 07-31-2024
(07-31-2024, 08:35 AM)hsufeng Wrote: I encountered the same problem. I compared many different articles and found that unless I have the writing level of a native speaker, textbook writing will always get a high AI score... But it is almost impossible for me to write with emotion or use some authentic expressions. AI's English level is much higher than mine. It is difficult for me to write at a style that surpasses AI level.
When I find that I can be 100% sure that the content written by non-native speakers will be highly marked as AI work, I will most likely give up the course. This is meaningless. The current course evaluation should focus more on the point of view of the assignment itself, or adopt some evaluation methods that are difficult to use AI. Instead of finding ways to embarrass students.
It seems like we are experiencing exactly the same issue. Damn, I really don't want to drop a course I spent so much money on and invested so much time in just because they use an AI checker that sees my writing style as something it isn't.
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - bluebooger - 07-31-2024
(07-31-2024, 03:19 AM)David1477 Wrote: ...
The school requires me to use the paid checking feature of the site to generate a plagiarism/AI report. ...
https://plagiarismcheck.org/for-students/
not that expensive, but I just wouldn't do it
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - ReyMysterioso - 07-31-2024
A Stanford study on the issue revealed seven different AI detectors flagged writing by non-native speakers as AI-generated 61 percent of the time.
It's a real problem.
https://themarkup.org/machine-learning/2023/08/14/ai-detection-tools-falsely-accuse-international-students-of-cheating#:~:text=They%20published%20a%20paper%20last,that%20incorrect%20assessment%20was%20unanimous.
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - David1477 - 07-31-2024
(07-31-2024, 10:35 AM)ReyMysterioso Wrote: A Stanford study on the issue revealed seven different AI detectors flagged writing by non-native speakers as AI-generated 61 percent of the time.
It's a real problem.
https://themarkup.org/machine-learning/2023/08/14/ai-detection-tools-falsely-accuse-international-students-of-cheating#:~:text=They%20published%20a%20paper%20last,that%20incorrect%20assessment%20was%20unanimous.
So according to Stanford, I have better chances of getting through the AI CHECKER (!) by using AI than writing the assignments myself as a non-native student. Damn, the world is really a mess nowadays. I never expected such stupid issues to be possible.
Unfortunately, nobody came up with a solution yet, right?
RE: Problems with bad AI checkers - Hotdogman1 - 07-31-2024
My friend did the ASU 1 credit CIS 194 course. The final written assignment was to write the instructions for making a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. He got a 55% from turnitin and had to redo it until he finally lowered it to 26% after 5 resubmissions. There's not many unique ways you can describe the process of making a PB&J sandwich step by step.