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TESU BA CS / BS Cybersecurity - Personherebb9 - 10-26-2022
I'm looking at potentially attending TESU, among other Universities. I am specifically considering the following two degrees from them. I had a few questions if someone wouldn't mind answering.
1) Does anyone have degree plans for these two degrees that are up-to-date, TESU seems to be a lot more secretive about their course equivalencies compared to other schools.
2) How great of a hindrance would a BA in CS be, when compared to a BS CS? (Especially to someone who's not from the USA.)
3) How do transfer credits and residency credits work? I am aware that you can transfer in 90 credits, but I read somewhere that from the 30 required credits at TESU, some can be taken in the form of TECEP exams and courses, can anyone confirm this?
4) How manageable are the courses? How many would you say one can take with a full-time 9-5 job?
5) How much is the waiver fee for people under 21?
6) Would it be more beneficial to rather study at a university such as SNHU, which is technically both an online uni and offline uni, instead of studying at a uni such as TESU that is known for being only online?
Thank you for the help.
Info:
South Africa
AGE: 18
Total transfer credits: 62 (all from Sophia)
RE: TESU BA CS / BS Cybersecurity - spohara - 10-26-2022
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: I'm looking at potentially attending TESU, among other Universities. I am specifically considering the following two degrees from them. I had a few questions if someone wouldn't mind answering.
1) Does anyone have degree plans for these two degrees that are up-to-date, TESU seems to be a lot more secretive about their course equivalencies compared to other schools.
2) How great of a hindrance would a BA in CS be, when compared to a BS CS? (Especially to someone who's not from the USA.)
3) How do transfer credits and residency credits work? I am aware that you can transfer in 90 credits, but I read somewhere that from the 30 required credits at TESU, some can be taken in the form of TECEP exams and courses, can anyone confirm this?
4) How manageable are the courses? How many would you say one can take with a full-time 9-5 job?
5) How much is the waiver fee for people under 21?
6) Would it be more beneficial to rather study at a university such as SNHU, which is technically both an online uni and offline uni, instead of studying at a uni such as TESU that is known for being only online?
Thank you for the help.
Info:
South Africa
AGE: 18
Total transfer credits: 62 (all from Sophia)
I don't know that I'm the best source, but here's what I know
1. Don't know
2. Not sure. Consensus from people on this forum seems to be not much of a hinderance in the US. Personally, I was a little taken aback that it is a BA, but for my purposes I know it doesn't matter. I'd try to find people in the industry in your country and see what they say.
3. Keep in mind, it is 30 credits from 'Regionally Accredited' academic instituitions (traditional colleges and universities), only 16 have to be from TESU to hit residency. There might be cheaper sources of credit. Can't confirm about TECEP, I don't know for sure, but I was under the impression that TESU counts it as RA credit.
4. I took courses from around 2010-2012 for an associates. I did 2 at a time. I worked fulltime for part of that, part of it I was on a deployment so 'working' but 90% of my days were downtime. I found it very manageable in both cases to do 2. I wouldn't personally try for more. Also go into it knowing about the specific TESU courses you plan to enroll - when I went some were a cake walk and some were absolutely brutal.
5. Don't know about this
6. I've been to the TESU 'campus' in Trenton, and I believe they have (or had) in person classes there. It is not very large or impressive, but it exists (or existed back then). I'm not sure if SNHU is a more extensive traditional campus or how important that is. Most employers probably have never heard of either of these schools, but will see the name of a state or the words state university and assume they're both reasonably decent mid tier public institutions. At least that is the assumption I make (even though I know SNHU is private). I wouldn't think this would be an issue.
RE: TESU BA CS / BS Cybersecurity - rachel83az - 10-26-2022
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 1) Does anyone have degree plans for these two degrees that are up-to-date, TESU seems to be a lot more secretive about their course equivalencies compared to other schools.https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_General_Education_Requirements_Roadmap
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_BA_Computer_Science_Plan
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sophia.org_Equivalency_List
You can not complete the BS Cybersecurity inexpensively. You'd be forced to take a lot of TESU classes, which drives the price up significantly.
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 2) How great of a hindrance would a BA in CS be, when compared to a BS CS? (Especially to someone who's not from the USA.)Are you planning to move to the US or are you planning to use the US degree where you live? In the US, it shouldn't matter a lot, if at all. In other countries, I don't know for certain.
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 3) How do transfer credits and residency credits work? I am aware that you can transfer in 90 credits, but I read somewhere that from the 30 required credits at TESU, some can be taken in the form of TECEP exams and courses, can anyone confirm this?Actually, you can transfer in up to 114 credits. Only the capstone & cornerstone classes MUST be taken at TESU. Per degree, TESU has the following limits:
90 (or fewer) community college credits - not really an issue for non-Americans
90 (or fewer) RA-equivalent foreign credits
30 (or more) RA credits - includes foreign credits
As a result, 90 (or fewer) alternate credits (Sophia/Study.com/StraighterLine/Saylor/etc.)
However, for a Comp Sci degree, it's usually cheapest to do the following:
- 16-credit flat-rate term
- 30 (or more) ECTS from a Finnish university. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Finnish_Universities These credits can be free, but are still generally cheaper than most American credits.
- 45-60 credits from Sophia.org
- Fill out the remaining requirements with Study.com and/or Coursera.
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 4) How manageable are the courses? How many would you say one can take with a full-time 9-5 job?If you do the single flat-rate 16-credit term at TESU, it's going to be a bit tricky but it can be very manageable. The courses from Sophia, SDC, etc. are ones you complete at your own pace. Most students are able to complete an average of 2-3 courses per month on SDC. At Sophia, most courses take 3-5 days each to complete.
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 5) How much is the waiver fee for people under 21?There is no waiver fee for students under the age of 21. You need to complete the age waiver form & process as outlined here: https://www.tesu.edu/admissions/undergrad-admissions
(10-26-2022, 07:26 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 6) Would it be more beneficial to rather study at a university such as SNHU, which is technically both an online uni and offline uni, instead of studying at a uni such as TESU that is known for being only online?Probably not. If you're moving to the US, nobody cares. If you're going to use it in another country, it will probably be obvious that you didn't travel to the US to get your degree. Granted, this depends a lot on the country or countries in question. But it probably won't matter at all.
TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - Personherebb9 - 10-27-2022
I'm 18 and looking to attend TESU. As per the age waiver I have to 1) already have 24 RA credits or 2) take the Accuplacer test and receive their minimum admissions results.
https://www.tesu.edu/admissions/undergrad-admissions
At first I just wanted to take the Accuplacer test, since it seems easy enough, but now I'm reconsidering my options.
Even if I do take the Accuplacer test, I'd still have to complete the 30 RA requirement. so wouldn't it make more sense just to get those RA requirements out of the way. I was informed of a few ways to complete these RA requirements. At first I thought I would just do TECEP/ePack courses, however I also have to be over 20 to do those. Then I was looking at ASU and other American courses, but there are 2 main problems: 1)Too expensive. 2)Not own paced.
I was informed that you can do the RA requirements through Finnish Universities, since they are cheaper. (Yes, I am aware that other Universities such as WGU, EU, SNHU, etc. do not accept credit evaluations from ACEI.) XAMK offers "Free Online: Introduction to Video Game Creation Certificate." which is the equivalent to 25 ECTS credits. https://www.xamk.fi/en/open-amk-courses/introduction-to-video-games-creation/
They also offer a few other free online courses, mostly ranging from 2 ECTS to 5 ECTS. I'd have to complete 48 ECTS in order for it to be the equivalent to 24 RA credits, but it might be something to consider.
1.a) Has anyone taken courses at a finish university and had the transcripts evaluated by ACEI?
1.b) If so, what did they say? What courses did you take? Were those courses own paced? Or did you have to follow a set schedule with zoom classes etc?
2.a) What other courses can I take through American Universities that are CHEAP and OWN PACED. (I don't want to spend 3 months on 1 course, it's a waste of time.)
2.b) If you did take courses through American University (or LET, outlier), were the courses own paced? How long did they take you to complete?
I'll even be open to any courses through South African universities, if you all know of any universities that offer online courses. I'll honestly be open to any RA credits that matches my description.
Here is my extra information again:
Your Location: South Africa
Your Age: 18
What kind of degree do you want?: TESU BA CS, BSBA CIS (Dual degree). ASNSM Math + CS, ASBA
Current Regional Accredited Credits: 0
Current ACE, CLEP, or NCCRS Credits: 62 (ACE)
Sophia: 62
College Algebra, 3, 96%
Human Biology, 3, 87%
Art History 1, 3, 85%
Environmental Science, 3, 86%
Art History 2, 3, 80%
Introduction to Stats, 3, 86%
US History 1, 3, 91%
US History 2, 3, 94%
Visual Communications, 3, 91%
Developing effective teams, 1, 87%
The essentials of managing conflict, 1, 85%
Macroeconomics, 3, 88%
Introduction to web development, 3, 92%
Microeconomics, 3, 91%
Project Management, 3, 85%
Foundations of Statistics, 2, 88%
Financial Accounting, 3, 87%
Introduction to IT, 3, 91%
Introduction to Ethics, 3, 87%
Introduction to Business, 3, 91%
Calculus 1, 4, 75%
Introduction to College Mathematics, 3, 91%
Any certifications or military experience? No, however open to relevant certification options for my degree.
[b]Budget: $10k from parents.
[/b]
Commitments: 1 Dog. Full time 9-5 from January 2023.
Dedicated time to study: 2-3 hours per weekday. Weekends are open. (I receive study-leave from employer.)
Timeline: Preferably 12 months for everything that's left. 18 months at max.
[b]Tuition assistance/reimbursement: No.[/b]
RE: TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - rachel83az - 10-27-2022
(10-27-2022, 07:32 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 1.a) Has anyone taken courses at a finish university and had the transcripts evaluated by ACEI?ROYISAGIRL has done this. The thread is here: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-XAMK?pid=335703#pid335703
I have taken (but not had evaluated) some XAMK classes. They're good.
(10-27-2022, 07:32 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 1.b) If so, what did they say? What courses did you take? Were those courses own paced? Or did you have to follow a set schedule with zoom classes etc?
Many XAMK courses are self-paced once they're open. Some do have weekly deadlines, though. Only a couple have had required Zoom meetings. If you check the course descriptions, it'll tell you whether there are any unwanted requirements (like Zoom meetings). The Video Game certificate is 100% self-paced. If it says "non-stop start" at any Finnish university, it should be self-paced.
Metropolia has a lot of these, and they're quite cheap. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Finnish_Universities#Metropolia_University_of_Applied_Sciences
Discrete Math is 15€
Operating Systems is 50€ (cheaper than Study.com)
Programming in C, C++, Java, Kotlin, Javascript, Scala, PHP, Python, and more are 15€ each.
If all you did was Discrete Math, Operating Systems, and 2 programming languages at Metropolia, it'd be 15€x3 + 50€ = 95€ plus $200USD for ACEI evaluation = about $300 for 4 classes.
The "Degree Programme of Information Technology" is an amazing price for CS students: 579€ for 180 ECTS. Everything is self-paced, and it includes many very useful classes. Some of them (like the Finnish classes) would be electives if completed, but it's a lot of stuff that would look good on a transcript. Like, do you need Artificial Intelligence for TESU? No. But it could make future employers happy. Same with the Google Cloud course. Courses that are in that Programme and that are required by TESU include:
- JavaScript Algorithms and Data Structures (depends on how transcripted, but this should work; Data Structures is required)
- Discrete Math
- Python Programming (for the BSBA CIS)
- SQL and Relational Databases might count as UL, depending on evaluation. It will at least work in some capacity for the BACS.
- Probability & Statistics (you have Foundations of Statistics from Sophia, but that's not worth any credit at TESU; Intro to Stats is the Sophia class worth TESU credits); required for BSBA CIS
Even if those are the only courses that are actually relevant, it's quite a bargain to get all those as RA-equivalent credit for slightly under $800. Throw in Operating Systems for another 15€ to make it almost exactly $800 and it's an even better deal!
Of course, you can save a little by only signing up for the "surefire" classes at Metropolia. That's fine, too.
TESU is pretty accepting of RA (equivalent) credit, so if a class says it's XYZ, there's probably a good 90-95% chance that TESU will also bring it in as XYZ and not something else or reject it entirely. The biggest question is UL vs. LL. Some other universities are less accepting, so it's more uncertain at those universities whether a given class will be accepted as relevant or not. It's the strangely-named courses that won't always come in as expected at TESU.
(10-27-2022, 07:32 AM)Personherebb9 Wrote: 2.a) What other courses can I take through American Universities that are CHEAP and OWN PACED. (I don't want to spend 3 months on 1 course, it's a waste of time.)
For self-paced, there are TEL Learning courses. Those are $200 each ($66/credit). https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/TEL_Learning
A handful of ASU courses are self-paced. They are $25 for each attempt + $400 per class when you pass and want to have the course added to your ASU transcript. Example: You take one of the Biology courses and get a B on your first attempt. You add it to your transcript; cost is $425. You take Astronomy (this one isn't self-paced) and get an F the first time and a C+ the second time. You decide to add the C+ to your transcript; cost is $450. You take another class 3x, but you're never able to get a grade you like; total cost is $75 and 0 credits. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University_Universal_Learner For the ASU courses that aren't self-paced, most of them are 8 weeks. You can easily take 2 or 3 standard ASU courses while also doing Sophia or Study.com.
RE: TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - bjcheung77 - 10-27-2022
Personherebb9 Wrote:Hi bj,
I saw that you are currently enrolled in the BA CS program at TESU and wanted to reach out. As of this moment I’m fairly content with the BSBA CIS + BA CS dual degree option that seems to be fairly popular, however I wanted to know if I could do a different combination.
Would it be possible to do a BA CS + BA English combination, well I know it’s theoretically possible, but has anyone else done it. You’re the only person I’ve seen thus far taking a different dual degree than the BSBA BACS.
Do you have any advice?
Thank you.
Yes, any dual major combination will work, as an example, it could be a BA Comp Sci & Math, plus a BSBA CIS & Entrepreneurship. For the two associates, add it to your degree plan and leave it, you'll finish it when the Bachelors are done without any extra work. You can review this thread here, post #2 & #4. https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Hypothetically-from-TESU-can-you-get-two-dual-major-degrees
My only advice right now is to continue taking Sophia.org up to 90 or more credits, then take the CSM Learn course. If you haven't invested in a second monitor, do so to multi-task and to search course material faster. I would not rush things, take the time and get the necessary credits. Lastly, as you have another thread for PUG/SNHU, decide on the degree/school, you might want to do this sooner rather than later...
RE: TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - Personherebb9 - 10-27-2022
Rough degree plan, (TESU BA CS & BSBA CIS), with a few Finnish courses.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DqtWyOL6TdBbFyVDXnpxO4ac4O5oCjRj/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=107585542925884730057&rtpof=true&sd=true
(10-27-2022, 02:17 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote:Thank you for the reply, this is very useful information.Personherebb9 Wrote:Hi bj,
I saw that you are currently enrolled in the BA CS program at TESU and wanted to reach out. As of this moment I’m fairly content with the BSBA CIS + BA CS dual degree option that seems to be fairly popular, however I wanted to know if I could do a different combination.
Would it be possible to do a BA CS + BA English combination, well I know it’s theoretically possible, but has anyone else done it. You’re the only person I’ve seen thus far taking a different dual degree than the BSBA BACS.
Do you have any advice?
Thank you.
Yes, any dual major combination will work, as an example, it could be a BA Comp Sci & Math, plus a BSBA CIS & Entrepreneurship. For the two associates, add it to your degree plan and leave it, you'll finish it when the Bachelors are done without any extra work. You can review this thread here, post #2 & #4. https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Hypothetically-from-TESU-can-you-get-two-dual-major-degrees
My only advice right now is to continue taking Sophia.org up to 90 or more credits, then take the CSM Learn course. If you haven't invested in a second monitor, do so to multi-task and to search course material faster. I would not rush things, take the time and get the necessary credits. Lastly, as you have another thread for PUG/SNHU, decide on the degree/school, you might want to do this sooner rather than later...
What is the CSM Learn Course, so many things pop up under CSM, its hard to know what exactly you're talking about.
As for the double major double degree, is BA CS + English possible or not? I'm assuming it isn't, but I would've loved if it were.
University choice: I originally disregarded TESU, because I thought the maximum credit transfer was 90, which meant I had to pay $500+ per cr/h, which just seemed unreasonable. Hence, why I was looking at alternatives (SNHU/PUG). However, since being on the forum I have found out more about the TESU transfer policies and as a result, I believe I am 99% set on TESU.
RE: TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - rachel83az - 10-27-2022
Note: I haven't checked out your degree plan, yet. I will give comments after I have actually looked at it.
(10-27-2022, 04:12 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: What is the CSM Learn Course, so many things pop up under CSM, its hard to know what exactly you're talking about.
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/CSM_Learn
If you sign up for the newsletter, you get a discount. 10% off or something like that.
(10-27-2022, 04:12 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: As for the double major double degree, is BA CS + English possible or not? I'm assuming it isn't, but I would've loved if it were.
It is definitely possible. There is 0 overlap between either the CS or CIS Area of Study and the English AOS. As long as you are able to complete all of the required English classes, you can get the English degree and the BACS.
The English degree has traditionally been a bit expensive due to the lack of cheap alternative UL credits. However, with the current catalog, UL Humanities in the "Additional AOS Electives" section can be used to make up for the lack of UL English credits. See the plan here: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_BA_English_Degree_Plan
(10-27-2022, 04:12 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: However, since being on the forum I have found out more about the TESU transfer policies and as a result, I believe I am 99% set on TESU.
Awesome!
RE: TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - Personherebb9 - 10-27-2022
(10-27-2022, 05:36 PM)rachel83az Wrote: Note: I haven't checked out your degree plan, yet. I will give comments after I have actually looked at it.About the double degree question. I mean is it possible to do BA CS and English as ONE degree with 2 AOS? Or would it only be possible to do 1 BA CS and then a separate degree for BA English?
(10-27-2022, 04:12 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: What is the CSM Learn Course, so many things pop up under CSM, its hard to know what exactly you're talking about.
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/CSM_Learn
If you sign up for the newsletter, you get a discount. 10% off or something like that.
(10-27-2022, 04:12 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: As for the double major double degree, is BA CS + English possible or not? I'm assuming it isn't, but I would've loved if it were.
It is definitely possible. There is 0 overlap between either the CS or CIS Area of Study and the English AOS. As long as you are able to complete all of the required English classes, you can get the English degree and the BACS.
The English degree has traditionally been a bit expensive due to the lack of cheap alternative UL credits. However, with the current catalog, UL Humanities in the "Additional AOS Electives" section can be used to make up for the lack of UL English credits. See the plan here: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_BA_English_Degree_Plan
(10-27-2022, 04:12 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: However, since being on the forum I have found out more about the TESU transfer policies and as a result, I believe I am 99% set on TESU.
Awesome!
In an ideal world, I would love to do this:
1) BA CS & English (One degree, double major- assuming this combination is not possible).
2) BSBA General Management & Marketing (One degree, double major)
3) AS Mathematics
4) ASBA CIS
I believe the BSBA combination would be possible, but I highly doubt they would allow me to do a BA with a double major in CS and English, since they’re fairly different.
RE: TESU Accuplacer vs 24 RA credits - carrythenothing - 10-27-2022
(10-27-2022, 05:50 PM)Personherebb9 Wrote: About the double degree question. I mean is it possible to do BA CS and English as ONE degree with 2 AOS? Or would it only be possible to do 1 BA CS and then a separate degree for BA English?
I believe the BSBA combination would be possible, but I highly doubt they would allow me to do a BA with a double major in CS and English, since they’re fairly different.
Yes, it's possible. There's actually a limit to the number of credits that can be shared between two areas of study.