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NCAT PhD in Leadership - ashkir - 08-22-2021

Hello, I stumbled across this today... a PhD in Leadership from North Carolina A&T. 
https://online.ncat.edu/phd-ls.html

North Carolina A&T State University is a land-grant research university and historically black with a long and noted history. They hold SACS accreditation which is regional. The brochure (I attached it) is a bit out of date but it does seem interesting. 

Any thoughts on this? (I'm looking for doctorates in Administration or Leadership to pursue next year). For in-state for North Carolina this is only $12582 with my job remote that is tempting lol $46440 for outside of North Carolina.


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - sanantone - 08-22-2021

For a leadership degree, I think one should get the cheapest degree one can find since these degrees are typically check-the-box degrees. If your goal is teaching, you might have to rely on your master's degree to show field expertise, but the PhD will give you the terminal degree they're looking for. This is common in fields in which doctoral degrees are currently uncommon. For example, one of my security studies professors had a PhD in leadership, but he had master's degrees and professional experience that were related to the field. It's rare for a person to have a doctoral degree in security studies because those types of programs are rare.


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - newdegree - 08-23-2021

(08-22-2021, 01:33 PM)ashkir Wrote: Hello, I stumbled across this today... a PhD in Leadership from North Carolina A&T. 
https://online.ncat.edu/phd-ls.html

North Carolina A&T State University is a land-grant research university and historically black with a long and noted history. They hold SACS accreditation which is regional. The brochure (I attached it) is a bit out of date but it does seem interesting. 

Any thoughts on this? (I'm looking for doctorates in Administration or Leadership to pursue next year). For in-state for North Carolina this is only $12582 with my job remote that is tempting lol $46440 for outside of North Carolina.

I feel that leadership or administration degrees are meant for people in the field that want to advance their skills in management. If you are looking to teach leadership may not be the correct direction as some colleges and universities avoid hiring leadership or administration degree graduates although I have seen DBA students score some decent teaching position in business programs. Find the degree that works right for you and your future plans, you should be fine. I would rather be happy with the program I choose than miserable attempting to finish a program I do not enjoy or have any interest in studying.


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - DeanLewis - 08-24-2021

The University of the Cumberlands offers as PhD in Leadership Studies (an RA, brick and mortar, non-profit) with an array of 18 c/h specializations, which you can either finish at the school, or transfer in via a second masters or doctoral degree/credit (other than the credential used for qualifying for entrance to the doctoral program). I believe tuition in $325 per credit hour, and the program is offered online.


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - ashkir - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 10:59 AM)DeanLewis Wrote: The University of the Cumberlands offers as PhD in Leadership Studies (an RA, brick and mortar, non-profit) with an array of 18 c/h specializations, which you can either finish at the school, or transfer in via a second masters or doctoral degree/credit (other than the credential used for qualifying for entrance to the doctoral program). I believe tuition in $325 per credit hour, and the program is offered online.

Cumberlands is definitely on my list. I'm trying to find the other jewels out there. There has to be another one that we barely know about Big Grin. The comps for Cumberlands is what makes me nervous. And they seem to require you to go on campus for a residency last I checked.

(08-23-2021, 09:39 AM)newdegree Wrote:
(08-22-2021, 01:33 PM)ashkir Wrote: Hello, I stumbled across this today... a PhD in Leadership from North Carolina A&T. 
https://online.ncat.edu/phd-ls.html

North Carolina A&T State University is a land-grant research university and historically black with a long and noted history. They hold SACS accreditation which is regional. The brochure (I attached it) is a bit out of date but it does seem interesting. 

Any thoughts on this? (I'm looking for doctorates in Administration or Leadership to pursue next year). For in-state for North Carolina this is only $12582 with my job remote that is tempting lol $46440 for outside of North Carolina.

I feel that leadership or administration degrees are meant for people in the field that want to advance their skills in management. If you are looking to teach leadership may not be the correct direction as some colleges and universities avoid hiring leadership or administration degree graduates although I have seen DBA students score some decent teaching position in business programs. Find the degree that works right for you and your future plans, you should be fine. I would rather be happy with the program I choose than miserable attempting to finish a program I do not enjoy or have any interest in studying.
I'm not really looking to move into teaching.


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - Courcelles - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 10:59 AM)DeanLewis Wrote: The University of the Cumberlands offers as PhD in Leadership Studies (an RA, brick and mortar, non-profit) with an array of 18 c/h specializations, which you can either finish at the school, or transfer in via a second masters or doctoral degree/credit (other than the credential used for qualifying for entrance to the doctoral program). I believe tuition in $325 per credit hour, and the program is offered online.

Cumberlands religious positions are legitimate problems for some people, problems they wouldn’t encounter with a state school.


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - SteveFoerster - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 12:44 PM)Courcelles Wrote:
(08-24-2021, 10:59 AM)DeanLewis Wrote: The University of the Cumberlands offers as PhD in Leadership Studies (an RA, brick and mortar, non-profit) with an array of 18 c/h specializations, which you can either finish at the school, or transfer in via a second masters or doctoral degree/credit (other than the credential used for qualifying for entrance to the doctoral program). I believe tuition in $325 per credit hour, and the program is offered online.

Cumberlands religious positions are legitimate problems for some people, problems they wouldn’t encounter with a state school.

That's true, it's an unabashedly conservative Baptist institution. At the same time, though, there is zero religious content actually in the program and they're pretty welcoming.

(08-24-2021, 12:13 PM)ashkir Wrote: Cumberlands is definitely on my list. I'm trying to find the other jewels out there.

I did my coursework at Cumberlands and like them a lot. They're especially a good choice for someone who has two Master's degrees or an EdS or who otherwise have "extra" graduate credit to transfer in as a specialization.

But I dragged my heels so long during the dissertation phase that when I was ready to go back I qualified for ABD completion programs, and decided on the one at Baker College. The people at Baker College are approachable and supportive, and the school isn't terribly priced, so you might look at them as well: https://www.baker.edu/academics/graduate-studies/college-of-business/business-administration-dba


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - ss20ts - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 12:44 PM)Courcelles Wrote: Cumberlands religious positions are legitimate problems for some people, problems they wouldn’t encounter with a state school.

After my experience at Charleston Southern University, I would not attend another religious school. It's not my cup of tea. It's not as extreme as Liberty, but it's far too much religion for my tastes and there are religious requirements you can't get out of. No thanks!


RE: NCAT PhD in Leadership - ashkir - 08-24-2021

(08-24-2021, 01:30 PM)SteveFoerster Wrote:
(08-24-2021, 12:44 PM)Courcelles Wrote:
(08-24-2021, 10:59 AM)DeanLewis Wrote: The University of the Cumberlands offers as PhD in Leadership Studies (an RA, brick and mortar, non-profit) with an array of 18 c/h specializations, which you can either finish at the school, or transfer in via a second masters or doctoral degree/credit (other than the credential used for qualifying for entrance to the doctoral program). I believe tuition in $325 per credit hour, and the program is offered online.

Cumberlands religious positions are legitimate problems for some people, problems they wouldn’t encounter with a state school.

That's true, it's an unabashedly conservative Baptist institution. At the same time, though, there is zero religious content actually in the program and they're pretty welcoming.

(08-24-2021, 12:13 PM)ashkir Wrote: Cumberlands is definitely on my list. I'm trying to find the other jewels out there.

I did my coursework at Cumberlands and like them a lot. They're especially a good choice for someone who has two Master's degrees or an EdS or who otherwise have "extra" graduate credit to transfer in as a specialization.

But I dragged my heels so long during the dissertation phase that when I was ready to go back I qualified for ABD completion programs, and decided on the one at Baker College. The people at Baker College are approachable and supportive, and the school isn't terribly priced, so you might look at them as well: https://www.baker.edu/academics/graduate-studies/college-of-business/business-administration-dba

Right now on my masters I'm having to write 40-50 pages of essays sometimes a week. I would really love to only have to write 5-10 pages a week. Do you think this exists in a doctorate anywhere? I don't mind a longer final like 10-30 pages. 

But, I had a single class in my masters that had over 200 pages of essays in a single month :|