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Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - bjcheung77 - 06-15-2021
Wow! What the heck! I used them for books, not for cheating! 12 Billion, that's outrageous! I do not believe it...
I still don't get what people are doing, if you cheat, you won't learn. How would you perform well in any academic setting if you do that?
Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/01/28/this-12-billion-company-is-getting-rich-off-students-cheating-their-way-through-covid/?sh=3ef88f61363f
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - Cofffeee - 06-15-2021
Maybr its time to reassess how we teach , so students will be more interested in learning for the sake of knowledge and not the grade?
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - dfrecore - 06-15-2021
(06-15-2021, 06:39 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Wow! What the heck! I used them for books, not for cheating! 12 Billion, that's outrageous! I do not believe it...
I still don't get what people are doing, if you cheat, you won't learn. How would you perform well in any academic setting if you do that?
Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/01/28/this-12-billion-company-is-getting-rich-off-students-cheating-their-way-through-covid/?sh=3ef88f61363f
If you don't need the knowledge to live your life in the real world, then it doesn't matter for many people. If I cheat my way through Econ 101 or Intro to Humanities or Music Appreciation, it really would make no difference in my life.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - rachel83az - 06-15-2021
I'm not saying I condone it, but I can't blame some students for doing this under some circumstances. Some universities all but abandoned students during covid. Poorly put together "online" classes, no tutoring, etc. But they still expected full tuition and you better finish those classes you paid through the nose for.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - ss20ts - 06-15-2021
I've had online classes where the professor just didn't participate. They offered ZERO help. You were 100% on your own and that's what happened to many students when they were thrown into remote learning. Why am I paying college tuition to learn on my own? I'll admit I've used Chegg. Not on a test but for the problems in the textbook because I was completely stuck and had ZERO idea of what to do. I am not the greatest at math. If I know where to start I usually have an idea on how to get to where I need the problem to end (the solution), but I struggle figuring out where to begin quite often. Seeing the Chegg solution to the problems in the textbook did help me. I rarely looked past the first line or two to see how I need to start the problem off.
All of us aren't great at every subject. Many degrees require courses you'll never use in life. I understand they want well rounded students but then they also need to provide HELP. Real HELP. Not just lip service of saying I have office hours and never being available during them or just tell you to find a tutor. How do online students find a tutor? Most students have NO idea how to do that.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - khwaja1924 - 06-16-2021
There is no doubt that online classes have changed the education model. Students are now expected to perform, at the same level as before, without the face-to-face interactions with professors, interactions in study groups, availing of tutoring opportunities and other methods of improving their knowledge. Also, there is a big issue of professors, especially at the community college level, that are poor at teaching complex subjects.
Students face a dilemma: do they attempt the exam on their own, using their acquired knowledge? or, do they use sites, such as Chegg, to complete their online exams and assignments? The fact is their peers are using these services. So, how does a student stay competitive?
I know of one student who used Chegg to attain a really high GPA, at their local community college. This individual was, then, accepted to a prestigious university, based on their high GPA.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - jcooke - 06-16-2021
Wow! I love having resources like Chegg and other sites to supplement what I'm learning. Sometimes the way someone solves a problem helps me more than textbook examples, similar to what could happen in a classroom setting. I guess it's a cheaters paradise if they're looking for that.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - dfrecore - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 11:41 AM)khwaja1924 Wrote: Also, there is a big issue of professors, especially at the community college level, that are poor at teaching complex subjects.
This is completely off the subject; but you are completely wrong. I've had courses at 2 4yr state universities, a 4yr private university, and 2 CC's. I found that there are good and bad teachers at all of them. But, I must say, for the price, I've been FAR happier with my CC instructors. They have been far better at explaining things, are much more accessible, have longer office hours, actually are in their office when they say they are, etc. You just get more bang for your buck at a CC.
Obviously YMMV, but I just want to point out that I don't think it matters what school you're at - there will be good and bad instructors everywhere.
I'm also going to guess that there are younger teachers at CC's, and they may have been at an advantage to make the switch to Zoom or online when it was not expected. But even then, some schools were better than others, and some teachers were better than others.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - FutureAD - 06-16-2021
I think the big problem is that Gen Z seems to view education as "something you have to do" rather than "learn skills and get educated". Sure, we all have that one (or multiple) classes we all hate or think "when will I ever use this", but I think most kids are taking that attitude and applying it to a lot more subjects.
RE: Cheating is BIG business! <sigh> - ss20ts - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 03:34 PM)FutureAD Wrote: I think the big problem is that Gen Z seems to view education as "something you have to do" rather than "learn skills and get educated". Sure, we all have that one (or multiple) classes we all hate or think "when will I ever use this", but I think most kids are taking that attitude and applying it to a lot more subjects.
I'm not Generation Z and most of the time I have felt that college was something you had to do. That's what I was taught growing up. I'm Generation X and know many others in my age who feel/felt the same way. This happens with many generations.