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Preferably Caucasian - sanantone - 04-28-2019 A job ad for an account manager position at Cynet Systems Inc. was placed on several websites. The ad said that the ideal candidate will be preferably Caucasian. After being called out on Twitter, the co-CEO, who is Indian, said that the recruiter will be retrained. The ads have since been pulled down, but they still come up in a Google search. I'm not buying the story that the recruiter came up with this on his or her own. My guess is that Cynet asked for a Caucasian candidate, and the recruiter was dumb enough to put it in a job ad. I tried attaching a screenshot from my phone, but the file is too big. You can find screenshots in the Twitter thread. https://twitter.com/nick_budhiraja/status/1122195346174750723 RE: Preferably Caucasian - jsd - 04-28-2019 if it actually was the recruiter's fault, they should have been fired. "retraining" is pretty crazy for that kind of "mistake" by a recruiter. RE: Preferably Caucasian - dfrecore - 04-29-2019 If you go to the CEO's twitter feed, it does apologize and say that the people responsible have been fired. RE: Preferably Caucasian - jsd - 04-29-2019 Good. His initial tweet only said they'd be "retrained." RE: Preferably Caucasian - sanantone - 04-29-2019 They had no choice but to fire the person. They were receiving backlash on every major social media platform for only requiring a retraining. They ended up taking down their Facebook page. I wasn't surprised or angered by this because I've become desensitized. Companies ask recruiters to violate federal law all the time; the recruiters just aren't dumb enough to put it in a job ad. I'm more concerned about these employers than the person who did the lazy copy and paste job. RE: Preferably Caucasian - bluebooger - 04-30-2019 I don't see the problem there's often a push to hire minorities or women Quote:EVER SINCE GOOGLE released its first transparency report in 2014, the company’s efforts to diversify its overwhelmingly male, white, and Asian workforce have been criticized as too little and too late for a company founded in 1998. As the needle failed to move on the share of black and Hispanic engineers, frustration intensified toward an industry that wants to influence the globe, but can’t change itself. https://www.wired.com/story/new-lawsuit-exposes-googles-desperation-to-improve-diversity/ when companies or universities make an effort to favor women and minorities its perfectly acceptable -- even encouraged https://www.inc.com/emily-canal/google-diversity-report.html but go the way and face social media backlash in China you used to be able to get a "white monkey" job -- companies would hire you just because you were white because it gave the company the appearance of being international and successful --- maybe this was the same kind of thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-DJrrMbLC4&feature=youtu.be&t=152 RE: Preferably Caucasian - sanantone - 04-30-2019 (04-30-2019, 05:08 AM)bluebooger Wrote: I don't see the problem You never fail to defend racism. Let's separate college admissions from employment laws because those are two different things. Affirmative Action says that, if you have two top candidates who are equally qualified, then you are supposed to hire the candidate from the underrepresented group. Employers have an obligation to attempt to recruit applicants from groups that are underrepresented in relation to their proportion of the population in the local area. Affirmative Action is designed to combat discrimination based on protected classes, but it doesn't work well because it's hard for applicants to tell if they've been discriminated against. An experiment from a few years ago proved that African Americans are less likely to get called for interviews. They used fake resumes with Anglo and African American-sounding names. RE: Preferably Caucasian - dfrecore - 04-30-2019 (04-30-2019, 05:08 AM)bluebooger Wrote: I don't see the problem That's ridiculous. How about if they are BOTH wrong. How about if a company just tries to hire the best PERSON for the job, without looking at any of the other crap. I don't want to get a job just because I'm a woman. I want to get it because I'm a great candidate. RE: Preferably Caucasian - Thorne - 05-01-2019 (04-30-2019, 08:27 AM)sanantone Wrote: You never fail to defend racism. Oh please, it has nothing to do with racism to say that there are double standards which are inadequate. There is no rational reason to say that two equally qualified candidates should be selected based on race or should be prioritized based on race, not unless you can prioritize in either direction without being penalized. If it is not racist to prioritize a minority group over a majority group, it also would not be racist to prioritize a majority group over a minority group. If I were faced with two equally qualified candidates, one white and one black, my choice would never come down to race, because I'm not a barbarian or an ignoramus. I would then differentiate by references, distance from the office, culture fit, etc. If, by some crazy occurrence, both candidates were equal in literally every way thus far, then the question would come down to can I afford to hire both people or only one? If I can only select one, I would devise a complex test of reasoning to see how well my thought process lines up with theirs regarding a nonstandard issue which may plausibly happen on the job, with the candidate whose answer provides the most insight being chosen over the other. If the chosen applicant happens to be black, so be it. If white, so be it. I want the best applicant for a job, the best fit in culture, the most ingenious, the most capable -- if that person is white, black, Asian, Hispanic, or an ET hailing from Jupiter, that person would be hired for the job over the other candidates. To reduce it to race is monumentally hypocritical at best. RE: Preferably Caucasian - bluebooger - 05-02-2019 > You never fail to defend racism. and liberals never fail to promote it and as for what I wrote, you only see what you want to see I did not defend the racism in those articles " as well as two emails where a hiring manager instructed the recruiting team to 'only consider' candidates from 'historically underrepresented groups.' " I called that practice out for what it is -- racist when are liberals going to stop being hypocritical ? liberals think having a majority of workers be white and asians is racist but setting goals of decreasing whites and asians and hiring minorities is not LOL - liberals don't see that as racist ?? it obviously is > Employers have an obligation to attempt to recruit applicants from groups that are underrepresented in relation to their proportion of the population in the local area. that's just a personal belief of yours my personal belief is that employers have an obligation to make make money for themselves and their share holders and do it without polluting the environment or making a dangerous product look at this quote http://fortune.com/2017/06/29/google-2017-diversity-report/ Quote:According to an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission report on diversity in the tech industry, tech firms hire a larger share of White, Asian, and male employees than the private sector overall. they say all that as if its a bad thing they imply underrepresentation but they provide no context at all but if you look at the number of minorities getting science and engineering degrees https://www.nsf.gov/nsb/sei/edTool/data/college-11.html only 8.8% of science and engineering bachelors degrees are earned by blacks and when they say "science and engineering" they're including psychology, and social science Quote:Degree data reflect U.S. citizens and permanent residents only; they do not include foreign nationals with temporary visas. Population data include all U.S. residents, regardless of citizenship status. so if 8.8% of bachelors degrees in S&E are earned by blacks is it really a big deal that they make up 7.4% of the workforce in tech ? sounds pretty fair to me and also https://ncses.nsf.gov/pubs/nsf19304/ https://ncses.nsf.gov/pubs/nsf19304/digest/field-of-degree-minorities look under the tab Degrees earned by underrepresented minorities scroll down to Bachelor's degrees earned, by ethnicity, race, and citizenship: 2016 Quote:Hispanics or Latinos earned 13.5% of science and 10% of engineering bachelor’s degrees; black or African American students, 9% and 4%; and American Indians or Alaska Natives, 0.5% and 0.3%. black or African American students earned 9% of science degrees and 4% of engineering degrees how can a group that is earning 4% of engineering degrees claim to be underrepresented in the tech industry ? it is racist to hire someone based on their race liberals will never admit this because if they did it would gut their entire political platform so no, I don't defend racism but anyone who encourages hiring minorities just to ensure diversity does > An experiment from a few years ago ... I know about that ... all that proved was that companies wanted employees with names that sounded professional, that weren't going to hire some white guy named Bubba or Bobby Joe or Billy Ray either > That's ridiculous. How about if they are BOTH wrong. How about if a company just tries to hire the best PERSON for the job, without looking at any of the other crap. but what if the best person for the job is a white person ? like in the video I posted, some chinese companies hired white people not because of their skills, but just because they're white because it gave the company a look of international reach and makes it easier for them to get contracts |