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Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - videogamesrock - 05-07-2015
Google doesn't care where you went to college - Apr. 9, 2015
Google will hire even from the big 3. So NA degrees shouldn't matter either.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - Prloko - 05-07-2015
Also, according to the article, a shoe doesn't matter either.
Yet an overwhelming number come from Stanford. These overly general blanket statements do not reflect reality. Because a few outliers from non-competitive schools are employed by the most in demand employer does not mean that companies are not partial to school choice and grades. This argument is like a company pointing to their one black employee out of 600 and saying, "you see, we embrace diversity!, and shoes don't work!".
The top four colleges for Google employees as extrapolated from LinkedIn.
1. Stanford
2. UC Berkley
3. Carnegie Mellon
4. MIT
For fun, I did find one employee who had both a degree from Columbia Southern U (an NA degree) AND graduated from TESC. He also had 28 years in the Navy as a Nuclear Tech. I'm sure there are more examples.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeff-wyatt/54/0/916
Moral of the story, where you went to school and your grades do help you in life, but are less important the more experience you have and hence the more value you have to a company.
Saying that they do not matter is glossing over the issue.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - JTP - 05-07-2015
Linked article states Google gets 2 million applications a year. I'm sure with that many people wanting in you can look at all different kinds of metrics to sort through the group. Unfortunately for me there are no Google offices remotely close to where I live and have no desire to move. Looking locally no businesses are as forward thinking as Google and still want a regionally accredited degree and experience to get in.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - videogamesrock - 05-07-2015
Prloko Wrote:Also, according to the article, a shoe doesn't matter either.
Yet an overwhelming number come from Stanford. These overly general blanket statements do not reflect reality. Because a few outliers from non-competitive schools are employed by the most in demand employer does not mean that companies are not partial to school choice and grades. This argument is like a company pointing to their one black employee out of 600 and saying, "you see, we embrace diversity!, and shoes don't work!".
The top four colleges for Google employees as extrapolated from LinkedIn.
1. Stanford
2. UC Berkley
3. Carnegie Mellon
4. MIT
For fun, I did find one employee who had both a degree from Columbia Southern U (an NA degree) AND graduated from TESC. He also had 28 years in the Navy as a Nuclear Tech. I'm sure there are more examples.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeff-wyatt/54/0/916
Moral of the story, where you went to school and your grades do help you in life, but are less important the more experience you have and hence the more value you have to a company.
Saying that they do not matter is glossing over the issue.
Do you know what the CSU degree is in?
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - cookderosa - 05-07-2015
Just read an article last week that Google was one of the top companies to work for based on pay, satisfaction, etc. They certainly have their pick of applicants.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - Devanna - 05-08-2015
I feel like if Google really wants people who are intellectually humble the absolutely worst place to look is the colleges where they seem to be doing most of their hiring. To me there seems to be a disconnect between their words and the reality. One of my friends attends UCB and 'humble' is the last word she would probably use to describe her fellow students, lol.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - sanantone - 05-08-2015
I think recruiting preferences will always remain the same. Firstly, companies can't recruit at colleges that don't even have a campus unless they do virtual job fairs (I believe APUS holds virtual job fairs). Secondly, companies can only make contact at so many colleges. They are obviously going to try to maximize their chances of finding quality employees by hitting the schools with the best programs in their field. This is a major advantage to those at the traditional college age since they won't have to compete with applicants with more experience. However, the Google representative said this.
Quote:When the company was small, Google cared a lot about getting kids from Harvard, Stanford, and MIT. But Bock said it was the "wrong" hiring strategy. Experience has taught him there are exceptional kids at many other places, from state schools in California to New York.
I bet many of those people are still working at Google. They aren't just going to disappear just because Google recently changed its hiring strategies. The person said "when the company was small," but it wasn't too long ago when they were still giving interviewees those ridiculous brain teaser questions.
Stanford has a great computer science program, but its biggest asset is location. Tech companies in silicon valley disproportionately recruit there over schools with computer science programs that are equally as good out of convenience.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - AkaiOkami - 05-08-2015
I cannot speak for the whole company but, having been a temp for Google's HWOPS (the department that does server maintenance), it uses degrees and knowledge of linux to move up the hierarchy. The entry level position is assembler (server hardware maintenance). With a degree in anything, a person can move up to engineer(server software maintenance). With a degree in anything, a certificate in linux, and experience working with linux, a person can then move up to engineer II. After engineer II, a person has to start empire building by building connections with management to continue moving further up the hierarchy ladder.
PhD in computer science, in the eyes of tech industry is not what you think. These are mutli-billion dollar companies(Apple came close to becoming the world's first trillion dollar company) that hire PhDs just so that the competition can not get their hands on them. They hire these people, put them behind a desk and then let them go to waste, and every now and then give them a project to keep them from getting bored. They do this because it is cheaper to hire them, and keep them occupied then to let them create a new product that the competition can use to get a head. Hiring also, prevents them from creating a new app that could be the next facebook, candycrush, etc, on their own. Thus, hiring PhDs prevents competition.
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - bluebooger - 05-08-2015
videogamesrock Wrote:Do you know what the CSU degree is in?
it says at the bottom of his linkedin page
Grades and where you went to school doesn't matter. - cookderosa - 05-09-2015
AkaiOkami Wrote:I cannot speak for the whole company but, having been a temp for Google's HWOPS (the department that does server maintenance), it uses degrees and knowledge of linux to move up the hierarchy. The entry level position is assembler (server hardware maintenance). With a degree in anything, a person can move up to engineer(server software maintenance). With a degree in anything, a certificate in linux, and experience working with linux, a person can then move up to engineer II. After engineer II, a person has to start empire building by building connections with management to continue moving further up the hierarchy ladder.
PhD in computer science, in the eyes of tech industry is not what you think. These are mutli-billion dollar companies(Apple came close to becoming the world's first trillion dollar company) that hire PhDs just so that the competition can not get their hands on them. They hire these people, put them behind a desk and then let them go to waste, and every now and then give them a project to keep them from getting bored. They do this because it is cheaper to hire them, and keep them occupied then to let them create a new product that the competition can use to get a head. Hiring also, prevents them from creating a new app that could be the next facebook, candycrush, etc, on their own. Thus, hiring PhDs prevents competition.
love my candycrush