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Just because you are a vet or serving currently - april004 - 03-13-2011
doesn't mean you have the right to act like an animal when you come out and treat the civilian populace like crap. Plus you don't know who of the civilian people you run across may also have served.
Ok. Here is the story.
I was on the train today with my son. There are signs that clearly say "NO ALCOHOL, NO SMOKING."
This guy next to me pulls out a cigarette, a can of open beer in his hand and starts talking about all the illegals on the train with his friend next to him, using many expletives that I did not want my son to hear.
I am guessing by looking at him is that he is in the Navy, from Great Lakes Naval base, probably first weekend after bootcamp that he's free to galivant around Chicago.
He also looks a bit too young to be drinking. Regardless, it's not allowed on the train so I tell him that drinking is allowed on the suburban commuter train but not allowed on the el train(the city train.) and smoking is prohibited in both places. He looks at me, puffs some smoke at me and tells me, "I serve my country, I can do whatever I want."
Really? So you can serve in the military and then when you get out you can disobey the law?
I could have also told him I served and I don't go around dropping F- bombs and smoking and drinking in places I shouldn't, especially around children. His talk of illegals on the train was just ignorant. I knew that me and one of my neighbors who is Mexican - American on the train also served.
Even without that, the F- bombs around my son and the smoking and drinking were too much.
I simply told him he needs to show respect to his uniform by acting like a gentleman when he is out of the uniform.
His response -"witch." except he used the word that starts with a B and rhymes with witch.
Most of the people I see from the navy base coming to Chicago for their free weekend are very respectful. It just seems that certain ones are more memorable, unfortunately.
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - MA2 - 03-13-2011
So your point is some people are just idiots? Hmm... imagine that 8-)
I would say 90% of Americans under 25 have an entitlement attitude, most think that for whatever reason they're special and society owes them something. In my opinion it's not a crazy concept considering the government handouts increase more and more each year... but that's the "change" people wanted.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - MA2 - 03-13-2011
Also, in my opinion, the whole "be a gentlemen" concept is a bit ridiculous to me... if I were a civilian I would want the military that protects me to be a bunch of rugged, rough-around-the-edges, don't take crap from anyone, smoking, cussing, drinking, tough guy types. Sure, maybe the train isn't the best place, but just my 2 cents. It's all this politically correct crap...
"Don't write 'Eat **** Osama' on the bombs we're gonna drop... it might hurt someone feelings!" ....lol....
But I agree, there is a time and a place. Eventually he'll say it to the wrong person and get some sense punched in to his head.
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - CLEP101 - 03-13-2011
April, sorry to hear about your experience. It seems that there is always that percentage of "bullet proof" service member in every location that gives us a bad name (in today's politically correct environment).
We have the same problems here on Fort Hood, the sad thing is that that mentality of these young Soldiers is getting them killed. It seems that every other week, we get an accident report, usually they are of young, under 21, drinking, service members who have wrapped themselves around telephone poles or other objects that get in their way like trees. Or they go out and buy a new crotch rocket and think that they don't need helmets doing 150 mph.
Oh well, there are bad apples everywhere, including the military, and it is sad that they will use the excuse of serving their country to justify their behavior.
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - MA2 - 03-13-2011
clep101 Wrote:Or they go out and buy a new crotch rocket and think that they don't need helmets doing 150 mph.
Yep... we've lost quite a few here from motorcycle "accidents" .... I use that term loosely because it's no accident when you take a turn too sharp and lose control going 130 on the freeway. Helmet or no helmet... you wreck on a bike going triple digits you're a gonner.
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - blu2blu - 03-14-2011
I am sorry to hear of your experience with this rather misguided Sailor. I can assure you that the public perception of Sailors is very important to the Navy. I can also tell you from my time at Great Lakes that these young men get many, many lectures on how to behave in front of the public. This Sailor was obviously 100% in the wrong and eventually that behavior will catch up with him and put a dent in his career.
You were correct to tell him that he was disgracing his uniform with his attitude and actions. Shameful.
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - Katterina - 03-14-2011
Good for you for speaking up, April. He was absolutely out of line.
I deal with a great deal of military members in my line of work. Fortunately, the vast majority seem to be respectful of others in public.
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - Popcorn - 03-14-2011
April004,
I am so very sorry that you have had a difficult time in life. Life is difficult enough, and then we sometimes are dealt another blow from insensitive humans who try leveling as a way to make themselves feel better, at the expense of others. (Those sorry lowdown humans....)
Yes, some are/can/have been looked down on, and sadly they are not the only ones to suffer in that manner. Here is a partial list of others that have been looked down on also;
Disabled people, disfigured people, different races, mentally challenged like Down's syndrome people, deaf people, blind people, old people, young people, lonely people, curly haired people, no haired/bald people, albino people, different races, red haired people, different faces, different circumstances, not in the popular croud, outcasts, nerds, responsible, good guys.
I was not the first person that was insulted, injured, lied to, or betrayed, and felt the pain, and won't be the last. Sadly, it happens in the Best of Families, no matter where we come from, no matter how rich we are, no matter how beautiful/gorgeous we are, no matter how smart we are, no matter how strong we are, no matter how determined we are, and to all of us. The betrayals I felt, completely broke my heart. I was not able to fix it. I had to move on, I had no choice. I didn't like it, I didn't want it, but the truth was in my face. This was the only life I had. So I had to change that. My Choice -
With all due respect to you, and all respect for how difficult you days may be now, please feel some comfort in knowing that "This too shall pass". "There is a time for all things". This is a way/one of many ways life causes us to grow. When we are learning, we are growing, and how does an oak tree become strong? Not by staying the same. You are growing and becoming stronger and taller and more gracious in wisdom of life. Life is going to change us, whether we want it or not. OMG - JAPAN right now. What if we were there? LIFE.
When I change the way I look at things, the things around me change. (Dr. Wayne Dyer, PBS).
When I change the things I focus on, I can do something different. I move, go, change me, and grow, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, I want you and those hard nosed military soldiers to be hard nosed and brilliant in everything you do, and I will support this.
I want a man, or soldier to be a man and/or soldier. I want a woman to be a good woman and/or soldier. I want a woman to support her man, unless he is a jerk, but still support a soldier. Soldiers and Good women will deal with Jerks. I was always taught that a Military Man had the Best Manners, and always found this to be Impeccably True.
IMHO. Pray for the world right now, because what I want really does not matter, in the big picture, from an older person. There is a reason for federal laws. Life is always changing the circumstances and is always in control of those circumstances minute by minute. Even if it looks really bad, that can change too. Regards,
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - april004 - 03-14-2011
That was very thoughtful...but actually my days are no longer difficult. They are quite good. This post I did wasn't meant to be about poor me.....just talking about a jerk on the train.
And yes, most military men I meet are upstanding good guys.
The only guys that hold the door open for me at the gym....former military! Regular college students? No.Sure I was in the military myself....but I am oldfashioned at heart and love when men open doors for me.
I remember once when I was stationed at Fort Bliss when I was in the Army- going to the Px and the guys not opening the doors. Now I didn't expect it but it blew me away when these Marines did it and made me pay attention. There was a barracks full of Marines across from ours. They were doing some joint training at the time with the Army. I remember how different they all seemed.
Army uniforms on guys never did it for me, maybe because I had to wear one myself....but that Marine uniform??? Perfection! Lol.
We Army girls would stare out our windows at the Marines in formation, drooling.
I remember one of the Army guys in our barracks asked why we never looked at him that way...lol.
Anyways, the Marine guys always held the doors for us Army girls and always smiled.
Now that I think back on it....perhaps they weren't doing it to be nice. They just had the art of flirting down much better than my guy peers in the Army.
And we Army girls bought it hook,line and sinker.
The majority of us that year ended up dating the Marines in the other barracks while our Army male companions would wonder why they were left on the weekends scrambling for dates on a base where females were practically nonexistent.
It all started with opening a door and smiling. And trust me...those Marines looked tough, were strong, but boy could they pull out the charm and smile at us. I ended up dating one for two years....all because he opened the door for me and smiled. Looking spiffy in that uniform didn't hurt either. Something about the way they roll up those sleeves....
Popcorn Wrote:April004,
I am so very sorry that you have had a difficult time in life. Life is difficult enough, and then we sometimes are dealt another blow from insensitive humans who try leveling as a way to make themselves feel better, at the expense of others. (Those sorry lowdown humans....)
Yes, some are/can/have been looked down on, and sadly they are not the only ones to suffer in that manner. Here is a partial list of others that have been looked down on also;
Disabled people, disfigured people, different races, mentally challenged like Down's syndrome people, deaf people, blind people, old people, young people, lonely people, curly haired people, no haired/bald people, albino people, different races, red haired people, different faces, different circumstances, not in the popular croud, outcasts, nerds, responsible, good guys.
I was not the first person that was insulted, injured, lied to, or betrayed, and felt the pain, and won't be the last. Sadly, it happens in the Best of Families, no matter where we come from, no matter how rich we are, no matter how beautiful/gorgeous we are, no matter how smart we are, no matter how strong we are, no matter how determined we are, and to all of us. The betrayals I felt, completely broke my heart. I was not able to fix it. I had to move on, I had no choice. I didn't like it, I didn't want it, but the truth was in my face. This was the only life I had. So I had to change that. My Choice -
With all due respect to you, and all respect for how difficult you days may be now, please feel some comfort in knowing that "This too shall pass". "There is a time for all things". This is a way/one of many ways life causes us to grow. When we are learning, we are growing, and how does an oak tree become strong? Not by staying the same. You are growing and becoming stronger and taller and more gracious in wisdom of life. Life is going to change us, whether we want it or not. OMG - JAPAN right now. What if we were there? LIFE.
When I change the way I look at things, the things around me change. (Dr. Wayne Dyer, PBS).
When I change the things I focus on, I can do something different. I move, go, change me, and grow, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, I want you and those hard nosed military soldiers to be hard nosed and brilliant in everything you do, and I will support this.
I want a man, or soldier to be a man and/or soldier. I want a woman to be a good woman and/or soldier. I want a woman to support her man, unless he is a jerk, but still support a soldier. Soldiers and Good women will deal with Jerks. I was always taught that a Military Man had the Best Manners, and always found this to be Impeccably True.
IMHO. Pray for the world right now, because what I want really does not matter, in the big picture, from an older person. There is a reason for federal laws. Life is always changing the circumstances and is always in control of those circumstances minute by minute. Even if it looks really bad, that can change too. Regards,
Just because you are a vet or serving currently - ryoder - 03-15-2011
This is a pretty great place to be an illegal alien considering how Mexico treats central americans.
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