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Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - Ars457123 - 03-24-2017
l8989v Wrote:Because your overall grade will not only rely on the final test.
If my entire grade depends on one test only, I would get anxious knowing that if screw this one up, I've screwed everything (Of course you can re-test, but same problem).
Take for exemple a standard study.com course: You can get 50/150 points, just by doing the quizzes, minutes after learning the lesson. Yes, it's tideous and can be long. But for some people, it works. For me, it works.
Does it work for everyone? No, but for some people who get anxious by one test defining your entire grade, it is a solution. And if they/we want to more quizzes/more tests and more mid-terms, that's our choice.
First off, stop going on about choice. You are on the side that seeks to limit it. And please understand that trying confuse recognizing that people have choices, with talking truthfully about the merits of those choices, is a level of mindlessness that I will not accept.
What you wrote is nervousness not test phobia. By definition a phobia is an irrational fear, so it's not lessened by the number. In some cases, however, it can even be increased by the number, esp. if a person gets a low score on multiple tests. Test nervousness, on the other hand, can be overcome with proper prep, and a track record of success. For anyone reading this thinking their nerves are a reason to not do it, realize that part is natural and it does get easier. Test phobia is real, but it actually affects few people; most people claiming that they have it are buying into the myth that ALL testing nerves are phobia. A myth fostered by people overstating the case in proportion to it's effect on the population. People who do that are to be avoided and ignored.
I'm surprised to hear anyone mention that it can be tedious and long. According to some it's always only the best thing ever!
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - strawberryxfuzz - 03-24-2017
I'm really, really confused about how a full grown adult (which I'm assuming we mostly are here??) is actually getting so PERSONALLY offended by something that originally had absolutely nothing to do with them?? This is like the tantrum of a teenager. From the very first post, you came on here with this blatant attitude and accused people of and I quote DILBERATLEY misinforming people. Like anyone actually has the time to go around and purposefully spread misinformation and for what purpose?
The fact is, you came on here with a nasty attitude that was completely unjustified. The likes of which I have never seen anyone do here. You're going on and on about how and getting angry that people are having opinions that do not coincide with what you believe. you could have easily come on here and said, take CLEP and DSST and stated your reasons without making a huge fuss about it. Seriously, what is so personally offending to YOU? Just drop on by with your opinion like most do with threads, it's not brainwashing everyone is free to make their own decisions and see what's best for them. Honestly when you research testing out, CLEP and DSST are the front and foremost marketed for it so most people don't even know there's other options. You say corporate companies like CLEP and DSST aren't taking people's money as well. I mean chill it's not your Buisness being affected. And seriously, google Test out of College or something similar and CLEP is basically the first whole page of searches.
For me personally, CLEP did not work out. I joined this forum back in 2015 looking for a way to test out of college. At that time the only thing I knew about was CLEP and DSST and I used this forum for the CLEP feedbacks and note sharing. I joined InstaCert and used the flash cards. I passed A&I Literature and College Comp cold without studying because they happened to be easy. I was following a COSC plan someone had created that was all based on Cleps and Dssts so I started Macroeconomics and Microeconomics next. I studied Macroeconomics first and the InstaCert wasn't helping me at all, so someone on this forum suggested a really good online teacher for the subject which helped a lot. I studied for two weeks because the subject was hard for me. I barely passed the CLEP with a 50, but it was a pass. I studied Micro for another two weeks, and took the exam. I failed, I was pretty upset because even though I live in New York City, all the test centers cutoff time for testing was 3pm and I had to take off work. Only to fail. Even so, I moved on and decided to take the Into to World Relgions DSST because it was a subject interesting to me. I studied hard for this one, used InstaCert and wrote down almost every flash card to memorize them. Printed out someone's notes that they had uploaded here who had taken and passed the DSST. I studied for 3 weeks - HARD. Due to failing previously, I wanted so badly to pass and not waste another $100.
I failed again, somehow my test in particular - almost NONE of the questions matched up the information that I had studied through InstaCert. At that point, I felt so discouraged I actually gave up. I work 2 jobs, this city is expensive and I couldn't keep throwing away $100 and I lost my motivation to study.
I came back on here last year in November feeling like I wanted to try again, and asked around for other options. The options given to me broadened my knowledge, and I made a final decision to switch from COSC to TESU, and dfrecore was kind enough to make a spreadsheet for me. I was nervous about trying again, and I didn't know anything about Study.com or SL but I was lucky enough to get a Study.com scholarship for a total of 18 credits which has saved me $600 and found that this was a better way for me.
For me personally - everyone has their own way - but Study.com and Saylor Academy make it easier due to the fact that while yes there are many quizzes, many times those questions match up with questions in the final exams. So if I can memorize them, I'm almost guaranteed to pass. With CLEP and DSST I found that, there were just too many flash cards based on so many different versions of the exam, I was forced to try and retain all of it and go into the tests without being sure what questions I might face at all.
Since November 2016, and in less than 5 months I have obtained over 70 credits. I anticipate to be done within the next month or two. Two years ago I was presented with the options for CLEP and DSST, I tried and I failed and I felt discouraged. Last year I was offered other options and opinions and I tried it, and found that it worked for me. No one dissuaded one or the other. But if it wasn't for the fact that someone on this board had presented me with options I didn't know exsisted because as I stated before - CLEP And DSST are highly represented on their own - then I wouldn't be where I am now with an almost complete degree.
You can't keep getting angry about people giving opinions you don't agree with. If you want to represent CLEP and DSST - do it. Go onto threads and let people know about their options, give them study tips and information. Do what everyone else is doing for their own experiences. Don't go around starting arguments and getting offended because no one thought to bring up something you would have. Do it yourself.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - sarg123 - 03-24-2017
Ars457123 Wrote:I want everyone to know that this NOT the case. The idea that you should only take CLEP if you already know the material is an outright lie. Not a difference of opinion, not based on " you could spend weeks studying" not ANYTHING of the sort.
The idea that you're either passing tests cold, or you're spending weeks studying is false. This person will whine and say something like- I said you could spend weeks studying for it- but how likely is that? Long on to the Specific Exam Feedback section to see that studying multiple weeks is NOT the norm. Most people there study in about a week, some less.
Of course, that Study.com and Straighterline could also take weeks is NEVER mentioned!
Something is very wrong here.
Cleps really are hard. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. The only thing that makes them do-able is that you only need a 50 to pass - but if you get a 49? You have to wait to re-take it. There are a lot of cleps that are possible to pass going in cold - but then, you just may get some hard questions and get a 49, and you just wasted your time and your money.
If you are good at a subject, it will be easier. That's also a fact. Some people are good at interpreting literature, and they will find A&IL easy. Alot of people do find it hard, maybe they don't come on this forum and boast about it, but they do. Someone who just aced high school math might be able to take the Math clep cold, someone who always struggled with math and/or is quite a few years out of high school will not pass this test cold. Somebody who's worked in the corporate world will find Management relatively easy, someone who's still in high school might find it much harder. Macro and Micro are two tests that are hard for everyone. I can go on and on, but you get the idea.
When I took the cleps that I took, I studied an average of a few days each. But it was two or three solid days, not just an hour a day. Also, they were the easier cleps. I did not attempt macro or micro.
Instancert helped me a lot with their specific feedback section, and that was the only thing that helped make these tests do-able with only two three days studying. I'm not personally against cleps, just that it's definitely not a one size fits all option. Also, SL and study are cheaper, at least in my neck of town.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - MD_AJIBULU - 03-24-2017
Is no one else using their block feature? Not so much because I care about the view points but because I have so much valuable, worthwhile reading to do that I just waste time tying to filter through the trolling stuff to find the golden non-troll nuggets.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - TrailRunr - 03-24-2017
sarg123 Wrote:Cleps really are hard. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. The only thing that makes them do-able is that you only need a 50 to pass - but if you get a 49? You have to wait to re-take it. There are a lot of cleps that are possible to pass going in cold - but then, you just may get some hard questions and get a 49, and you just wasted your time and your money.
I don't like the way this topic came up, but it's long overdue that there has been an aversion to testing lately.
I disagree with the blanket statement that CLEPS are hard. I don't consider that a fact. The answer is that it depends.
Some CLEPS are hard and you should look for a different method. The juicy 6/9 credit foreign language CLEPs come to mind as too hard. But some CLEPs are easy and are possible to pass without studying. Most are somewhere in the middle depending on previous experience. The A&I Lit CLEP is worth SIX at TESU and it doesn't require studying. It should be just as popular as the 9 credit ALEKS, but it's not. You don't need a 70+ on the A&I CLEP. Score of 50 will suffice. Most employers and some grad schools don't care about your grades. They won't care about getting a 50 vs. a 70 either. The curve is super generous on that test and it should be taken advantage of even though probably nobody here is a poet. A few will panic and fail A&I Lit just life a few will fail at ALEKS due to math anxiety or math phobia. But for most, both A&I Lit and ALEKS are easy options that should be taken advantage of.
Sometimes SL or other options are better than testing. No arguments there. But lately in the last year, there has been this huge aversion to testing and that means leave a lot of low hanging fruit from the CLEP, DSST, and TECEP is being ignored. I know all the excuses about test phobias, test centers too far, etc. But those excuses lead to a slower slog to getting that degree. Don't forget TECEPs can be taken at home.
How many people fail to enroll in TESU with a TECEP due to just normal test anxiety that everyone has rather than a severe test phobia? So many people put off enrolling in TESU at their peril because of a TECEP. Delays in enrolling has been very costly in the past, and I'm sure it will continue. Don't be comforted by having so many more alternative credit options. More options are good only because you're likely to have more requirements to graduate by delaying that TECEP. And finally, there are easy TECEPs out there. Just stagger them once a year so you don't run out of easy ones.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - sarg123 - 03-24-2017
Ok, maybe I spoke a bit too strongly. If you know a subject, it's not hard.
But it will be hard if you don't know it!I was responding to a post that said that you don't need to have exposure to the material and you don't have to study to take the Cleps. Ok, I'll say that I don't THINK that's true. If you have had exposure, or a natural affinity for a subject, of course it will be easier. Most people are good at some things and not at everything. If you liked biology in school, you'll take the biology clep, if you've always been great at literature, it's a no-brainer to take the A&IL clep. Most people are not good at everything, so I think that the other options are good for those scenarios. That's all I'm saying. I agree, I never tried study yet, it just LOOKED easier, but I could be wrong.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - Ancapman - 03-24-2017
RIDICULOUS
I was asking for guidance not 5+ pages of inanity and innuendo.
Ill go back to lurking and PM if i need anyones help.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - Ars457123 - 03-24-2017
sarg123 Wrote:Ok, maybe I spoke a bit too strongly. If you know a subject, it's not hard.
This is a lie! Not a matter of opinion but an out and out falsehood. I have taken multiple tests that in the beginning I knew nothing about. I spent time(not weeks and weeks)
studying and then I passed. Just because something is not easy doesn't mean it's hard. There is middle ground, as much as you try to pretend that there's not. I've said it over and over and I'll say it again, go to the Specific Exam Feedback section. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people there who have started from ZERO just like the OP AND they passed. You keep ignoring it doesn't change that fact!
sarg123 Wrote:I was responding to a post that said that you don't need to have exposure to the material and you don't have to study to take the Cleps. Ok, I'll say that I don't THINK that's true. If you have had exposure, or a natural affinity for a subject, of course it will be easier. Most people are good at some things and not at everything. If you liked biology in school, you'll take the biology clep, if you've always been great at literature, it's a no-brainer to take the A&IL clep. Most people are not good at everything, so I think that the other options are good for those scenarios. That's all I'm saying. I agree, I never tried study yet, it just LOOKED easier, but I could be wrong.
No one said you don't have to study to take a test. You are a liar who cannot read. Exposure to the material and studying are two different things. Don't try to lump them together because you don't like the fact that I pointed out how weird it was to choose based on no experience except liking the format.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - Ars457123 - 03-24-2017
Check your PM.
Please help check over my degree plan for TESU - Ars457123 - 03-24-2017
sarg123 Wrote:If you liked biology in school, you'll take the biology clep, if you've always been great at literature, it's a no-brainer to take the A&IL clep. Most people are not good at everything, so I think that the other options are good for those scenarios. That's all I'm saying. I agree, I never tried study yet, it just LOOKED easier, but I could be wrong.
I forgot to respond to this bit of nonsense. How then do you explain the fact that I and others have easily passed CLEPs that we dislike?