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RE: Changes at Excelsior - BAngieB - 05-18-2018
(05-16-2018, 11:51 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(05-16-2018, 11:03 PM)BAngieB Wrote: IHE story on Excelsior’s situation: https://www.insidehighered.com/digital-learning/article/2018/05/16/pioneering-college-tries-stay-relevant-amid-intensifying
Do you work there?
No, but I know someone who does (for now, at least).
RE: Changes at Excelsior - Life Long Learning - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 03:55 AM)BAngieB Wrote:(05-16-2018, 11:51 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(05-16-2018, 11:03 PM)BAngieB Wrote: IHE story on Excelsior’s situation: https://www.insidehighered.com/digital-learning/article/2018/05/16/pioneering-college-tries-stay-relevant-amid-intensifying
Do you work there?
No, but I know someone who does (for now, at least).
Thank you for sharing. I wish alumni did not need to read stuff on the internet first. Communication is critical in times of change. I hope EC does well and your friend.
RE: Changes at Excelsior - dfrecore - 05-18-2018
I think they've already started paring down the degrees? When I looked at the website, it looks like there are fewer options for the BA in Liberal Studies and Business. I could be wrong though...
RE: Changes at Excelsior - Exfactor - 05-18-2018
When they made changes to their nursing program to enroll individuals who could actually graduate from their program instead of the previous admission policy of where everyone could get into the program it cut into their profits. It's great they're being proactive and selecting quality over quantity. I fear in the coming years some schools will be unprepared.
RE: Changes at Excelsior - sanantone - 05-19-2018
TESU and COSC have the benefit of being propped up by state taxes, and their rates are low for in-state students. Excelsior's model is unsustainable as a private college. With much cheaper competency-based programs, hardly anyone is going to want to pay $500 per credit. Online, out-of-state students pay that at University of Florida.
(05-18-2018, 10:34 PM)Exfactor Wrote: When they made changes to their nursing program to enroll individuals who could actually graduate from their program instead of the previous admission policy of where everyone could get into the program it cut into their profits. It's great they're being proactive and selecting quality over quantity. I fear in the coming years some schools will be unprepared.
Getting sued is expensive, and high failure rates could have put them at risk of losing their nursing accreditation. Plus, an increasing number of states were putting additional requirements on Excelsior graduates. If it weren't for the new admissions requirements, I believe my state would have stopped recognizing Excelsior nursing degrees. Since Excelsior doesn't teach anything in its associate's program, students have to come in with clinical experience.
RE: Changes at Excelsior - Exfactor - 05-20-2018
(05-19-2018, 03:22 PM)sanantone Wrote: TESU and COSC have the benefit of being propped up by state taxes, and their rates are low for in-state students. Excelsior's model is unsustainable as a private college. With much cheaper competency-based programs, hardly anyone is going to want to pay $500 per credit. Online, out-of-state students pay that at University of Florida.
(05-18-2018, 10:34 PM)Exfactor Wrote: When they made changes to their nursing program to enroll individuals who could actually graduate from their program instead of the previous admission policy of where everyone could get into the program it cut into their profits. It's great they're being proactive and selecting quality over quantity. I fear in the coming years some schools will be unprepared.
Getting sued is expensive, and high failure rates could have put them at risk of losing their nursing accreditation. Plus, an increasing number of states were putting additional requirements on Excelsior graduates. If it weren't for the new admissions requirements, I believe my state would have stopped recognizing Excelsior nursing degrees. Since Excelsior doesn't teach anything in its associate's program, students have to come in with clinical experience.
In states where their are dilemmas with EC nursing degrees such individuals can still find jobs with the VA, prisons ect. I currently work in HR for a mental health organization with several locations in North Florida and I'm continuously shocked by the amount of individuals I come across with EC nursing degrees. Wasn't their a thread on here years ago where an TESU alumni stated she was denied admission to a nursing program locally because she had a TESC/TESU BS degree?
EC has made an extremely large amount of revenue the past few years under the leadership of its previous president. Under the direction of its new president the school has decided to do away with many of its former policies and that included its open admissions policy under it's nursing program. But not only has the nursing program been affected but so has other school initiatives. They have pretty much shut down all the initiatives that the former president started and it has affected their bottom dollar. However, things appear now to be stabilizing.
RE: Changes at Excelsior - sanantone - 05-20-2018
(05-20-2018, 09:53 AM)Exfactor Wrote:(05-19-2018, 03:22 PM)sanantone Wrote: TESU and COSC have the benefit of being propped up by state taxes, and their rates are low for in-state students. Excelsior's model is unsustainable as a private college. With much cheaper competency-based programs, hardly anyone is going to want to pay $500 per credit. Online, out-of-state students pay that at University of Florida.
(05-18-2018, 10:34 PM)Exfactor Wrote: When they made changes to their nursing program to enroll individuals who could actually graduate from their program instead of the previous admission policy of where everyone could get into the program it cut into their profits. It's great they're being proactive and selecting quality over quantity. I fear in the coming years some schools will be unprepared.
Getting sued is expensive, and high failure rates could have put them at risk of losing their nursing accreditation. Plus, an increasing number of states were putting additional requirements on Excelsior graduates. If it weren't for the new admissions requirements, I believe my state would have stopped recognizing Excelsior nursing degrees. Since Excelsior doesn't teach anything in its associate's program, students have to come in with clinical experience.
In states where their are dilemmas with EC nursing degrees such individuals can still find jobs with the VA, prisons ect. I currently work in HR for a mental health organization with several locations in North Florida and I'm continuously shocked by the amount of individuals I come across with EC nursing degrees. Wasn't their a thread on here years ago where an TESU alumni stated she was denied admission to a nursing program locally because she had a TESC/TESU BS degree?
EC has made an extremely large amount of revenue the past few years under the leadership of its previous president. Under the direction of its new president the school has decided to do away with many of its former policies and that included its open admissions policy under it's nursing program. But not only has the nursing program been affected but so has other school initiatives. They have pretty much shut down all the initiatives that the former president started and it has affected their bottom dollar. However, things appear now to be stabilizing.
I doubt anyone was rejected for having a TESC degree. There are many factors that go into admissions in healthcare programs i.e. some schools won't accept prerequisites that were completed online or at an unaccredited organization (Straighterline). University of Florida, which is highly-regarded in the life science community and is a top 10 public school, had no problem with waiving the leveling courses based on the biology courses I had on my TESU transcript. But, the biggest accomplishment was being accepted, which was based on my GPA and GRE scores. Regardless, this is irrelevant to what is going on with Excelsior. It's not like TESU nursing degree holders are denied licensure in any state.
My point is that Excelsior didn't make any of these changes out of the goodness of their hearts; organizations rarely do. They did these things for survival, and there is nothing wrong with that. TESU made a lot of unpopular changes because they had to.
I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't spend all that time and money on a nursing degree if my only job options were with the federal government. That's the same as getting an NA degree and hoping to find one of the few graduate programs that will accept it. Most people are getting nursing degrees to increase their opportunities, not limit them.
Florida doesn't put any restrictions on Excelsior degrees, so why wouldn't people living there get them?
RE: Changes at Excelsior - miah - 06-17-2018
(05-20-2018, 09:53 AM)Exfactor Wrote:(05-19-2018, 03:22 PM)sanantone Wrote: TESU and COSC have the benefit of being propped up by state taxes, and their rates are low for in-state students. Excelsior's model is unsustainable as a private college. With much cheaper competency-based programs, hardly anyone is going to want to pay $500 per credit. Online, out-of-state students pay that at University of Florida.
(05-18-2018, 10:34 PM)Exfactor Wrote: When they made changes to their nursing program to enroll individuals who could actually graduate from their program instead of the previous admission policy of where everyone could get into the program it cut into their profits. It's great they're being proactive and selecting quality over quantity. I fear in the coming years some schools will be unprepared.
Getting sued is expensive, and high failure rates could have put them at risk of losing their nursing accreditation. Plus, an increasing number of states were putting additional requirements on Excelsior graduates. If it weren't for the new admissions requirements, I believe my state would have stopped recognizing Excelsior nursing degrees. Since Excelsior doesn't teach anything in its associate's program, students have to come in with clinical experience.
In states where their are dilemmas with EC nursing degrees such individuals can still find jobs with the VA, prisons ect. I currently work in HR for a mental health organization with several locations in North Florida and I'm continuously shocked by the amount of individuals I come across with EC nursing degrees. Wasn't their a thread on here years ago where an TESU alumni stated she was denied admission to a nursing program locally because she had a TESC/TESU BS degree?
EC has made an extremely large amount of revenue the past few years under the leadership of its previous president. Under the direction of its new president the school has decided to do away with many of its former policies and that included its open admissions policy under it's nursing program. But not only has the nursing program been affected but so has other school initiatives. They have pretty much shut down all the initiatives that the former president started and it has affected their bottom dollar. However, things appear now to be stabilizing.
"EC has made an extremely large amount of revenue the past few years under the leadership of its previous president. Under the direction of its new president the school has decided to do away with many of its former policies and that included its open admissions policy under it's nursing program. "
Isn't the past president of Excelsior the current president of TESU now?
RE: Changes at Excelsior - sanantone - 06-17-2018
(06-17-2018, 08:11 PM)miah Wrote:(05-20-2018, 09:53 AM)Exfactor Wrote:(05-19-2018, 03:22 PM)sanantone Wrote: TESU and COSC have the benefit of being propped up by state taxes, and their rates are low for in-state students. Excelsior's model is unsustainable as a private college. With much cheaper competency-based programs, hardly anyone is going to want to pay $500 per credit. Online, out-of-state students pay that at University of Florida.
(05-18-2018, 10:34 PM)Exfactor Wrote: When they made changes to their nursing program to enroll individuals who could actually graduate from their program instead of the previous admission policy of where everyone could get into the program it cut into their profits. It's great they're being proactive and selecting quality over quantity. I fear in the coming years some schools will be unprepared.
Getting sued is expensive, and high failure rates could have put them at risk of losing their nursing accreditation. Plus, an increasing number of states were putting additional requirements on Excelsior graduates. If it weren't for the new admissions requirements, I believe my state would have stopped recognizing Excelsior nursing degrees. Since Excelsior doesn't teach anything in its associate's program, students have to come in with clinical experience.
In states where their are dilemmas with EC nursing degrees such individuals can still find jobs with the VA, prisons ect. I currently work in HR for a mental health organization with several locations in North Florida and I'm continuously shocked by the amount of individuals I come across with EC nursing degrees. Wasn't their a thread on here years ago where an TESU alumni stated she was denied admission to a nursing program locally because she had a TESC/TESU BS degree?
EC has made an extremely large amount of revenue the past few years under the leadership of its previous president. Under the direction of its new president the school has decided to do away with many of its former policies and that included its open admissions policy under it's nursing program. But not only has the nursing program been affected but so has other school initiatives. They have pretty much shut down all the initiatives that the former president started and it has affected their bottom dollar. However, things appear now to be stabilizing.
"EC has made an extremely large amount of revenue the past few years under the leadership of its previous president. Under the direction of its new president the school has decided to do away with many of its former policies and that included its open admissions policy under it's nursing program. "
Isn't the past president of Excelsior the current president of TESU now?
No. She was at SUNY Empire State College. Before that, she was at Central Michigan State University Global Campus.
RE: Changes at Excelsior - Life Long Learning - 06-17-2018
Isn't the past president of Excelsior the current president of TESU now?
No he died in office. Maybe of cancer?