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RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - jsd - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 05:02 PM)clep3705 Wrote: It's easy to get a lot of online courses completed quickly. There are websites where you can hire someone to take your online courses for a fee.
Like that lady who spammed our board with anti-StraighterLine junk because she got caught cheating when someone from Fiverr reported her for paying people to take her finals
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - xjarhead1999 - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 05:10 PM)davewill Wrote:(05-08-2018, 04:44 PM)Yenisei Wrote: So perhaps almost enough for a BALS?
Talk about someone messing up a good thing.
It shouldn't mess anything up. ultimately. Shmoop may just have to add proctoring.
I don't see Shmoop doing that. They would have to increase their prices, make changes to their design, and who knows what else. I don't think would really have an incentive.
They offer ACE certified courses, not TESU certified courses. Every place tells you it's up to the specific institute if they will accept them or not.
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - jsd - 05-08-2018
I have a feeling that the Big 3 are where a majority of Shmoop's clients transfer their credits to. If one of the Big 3 isn't happy, they're going to make sure to cater to them to avoid losing customers wanting to transfer to one of the Big 3.
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - Merlin - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 05:35 PM)xjarhead1999 Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:10 PM)davewill Wrote: It shouldn't mess anything up. ultimately. Shmoop may just have to add proctoring.
I don't see Shmoop doing that. They would have to increase their prices, make changes to their design, and who knows what else. I don't think would really have an incentive.
It shouldn't really be all that much work. It's mainly about adding the back end API calls to support the proctor tools to restrict taking certain final exams unless proctoring is in place and then to the proctor to verify the exam has been completed for credit, etc.
If they add support for proctoring, they don't have to include proctoring fees in the price... it would be up to the test taker to pay for those. This could work the same as when Saylor added support for proctoring to their site, and that didn't add any costs other than the proctor fee.
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - dfsquare - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 05:02 PM)clep3705 Wrote: It's easy to get a lot of online courses completed quickly. There are websites where you can hire someone to take your online courses for a fee. That's why I prefer CLEP. The security and proctoring for CLEP makes CLEP credits more credible.
WHAT??? I've been killing myself since October and I could have been unscrupulous and hired someone to do all this work? I've not even hired anyone to write all these stinking papers, let alone take the exams. Apparently I'm far too honest. Sigh.
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - xjarhead1999 - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 06:25 PM)Merlin Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:35 PM)xjarhead1999 Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:10 PM)davewill Wrote: It shouldn't mess anything up. ultimately. Shmoop may just have to add proctoring.
I don't see Shmoop doing that. They would have to increase their prices, make changes to their design, and who knows what else. I don't think would really have an incentive.
It shouldn't really be all that much work. It's mainly about adding the back end API calls to support the proctor tools to restrict taking certain final exams unless proctoring is in place and then to the proctor to verify the exam has been completed for credit, etc.
If they add support for proctoring, they don't have to include proctoring fees in the price... it would be up to the test taker to pay for those. This could work the same as when Saylor added support for proctoring to their site, and that didn't add any costs other than the proctor fee.
That would raise the price to at least $25 more per course for the person wanting the courses. If a person wanted to take one class a week at shmoop that would more than double the cost to that student for a month. $100 for the tests and $88 for shmoop subscription. I won't pay that much for their courses. I barely want to pay the monthly subscription due to how annoying they are.
I would venture to guess that their college plan isn't their biggest seller. They offer far more things than the 57 ACE courses. I just don't see them adding proctored test due to just 1 institution. I believe I read somewhere that WGU doesn't accept shmoop courses, they didn't make changes for them. There are over 2000 universities and colleges that Accept ACE. At least that's what every provider says. That's a lot more than what is considered "the big 3" here.
I could be wrong, but I just don't see it. If they do make changes I don't see it happening until their current ACE recommendations are close to expiring.
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - Merlin - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 07:21 PM)dfsquare Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:02 PM)clep3705 Wrote: It's easy to get a lot of online courses completed quickly. There are websites where you can hire someone to take your online courses for a fee. That's why I prefer CLEP. The security and proctoring for CLEP makes CLEP credits more credible.
WHAT??? I've been killing myself since October and I could have been unscrupulous and hired someone to do all this work? I've not even hired anyone to write all these stinking papers, let alone take the exams. Apparently I'm far too honest. Sigh.
Hah, nice!
What's a little academic integrity between friends, eh?
(05-08-2018, 07:22 PM)xjarhead1999 Wrote:(05-08-2018, 06:25 PM)Merlin Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:35 PM)xjarhead1999 Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:10 PM)davewill Wrote: It shouldn't mess anything up. ultimately. Shmoop may just have to add proctoring.
I don't see Shmoop doing that. They would have to increase their prices, make changes to their design, and who knows what else. I don't think would really have an incentive.
It shouldn't really be all that much work. It's mainly about adding the back end API calls to support the proctor tools to restrict taking certain final exams unless proctoring is in place and then to the proctor to verify the exam has been completed for credit, etc.
If they add support for proctoring, they don't have to include proctoring fees in the price... it would be up to the test taker to pay for those. This could work the same as when Saylor added support for proctoring to their site, and that didn't add any costs other than the proctor fee.
That would raise the price to at least $25 more per course for the person wanting the courses. If a person wanted to take one class a week at shmoop that would more than double the cost to that student for a month. $100 for the tests and $88 for shmoop subscription. I won't pay that much for their courses. I barely want to pay the monthly subscription due to how annoying they are.
I would venture to guess that their college plan isn't their biggest seller. They offer far more things than the 57 ACE courses. I just don't see them adding proctored test due to just 1 institution. I believe I read somewhere that WGU doesn't accept shmoop courses, they didn't make changes for them. There are over 2000 universities and colleges that Accept ACE. At least that's what every provider says. That's a lot more than what is considered "the big 3" here.
I could be wrong, but I just don't see it. If they do make changes I don't see it happening until their current ACE recommendations are close to expiring.
Well, $25 more for ProctorU or $15 more for RPNow, but yeah it would add end cost to the test taker. Even at $25 more per course, they're still cheaper than most of the alternatives, particularly if you take several courses during a month.
For folks who don't care about the format and just want specific course credits, I don't think an increased price is bad. I'd probably still pay it because they have several more interesting GenEd courses that aren't available anywhere else. I just wouldn't take as many courses as I'd originally been planning to take.
As for the ACE courses, they seem targeted primarily at high school and homeschool, so I agree that the college courses are probably not their main focus. But if it isn't too expensive to make whatever changes they need to make, I suspect they'd still be willing to do it if it is worth the ROI. It would add to their revenue stream adding proctoring may increase their credibility enough that places like WGU would start accepting their courses.
This is all conjecture anyway. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - High_Order1 - 05-08-2018
(05-08-2018, 07:21 PM)dfsquare Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:02 PM)clep3705 Wrote: It's easy to get a lot of online courses completed quickly. There are websites where you can hire someone to take your online courses for a fee. That's why I prefer CLEP. The security and proctoring for CLEP makes CLEP credits more credible.
WHAT??? I've been killing myself since October and I could have been unscrupulous and hired someone to do all this work? I've not even hired anyone to write all these stinking papers, let alone take the exams. Apparently I'm far too honest. Sigh.
It's funny, because I really try to keep up on cheating and crime. It never, once, not one time dawned on me that this was possible. I knew you could get papers done, but... where there's a market, there's a provider
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - cookderosa - 05-09-2018
(05-08-2018, 10:07 PM)High_Order1 Wrote:(05-08-2018, 07:21 PM)dfsquare Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:02 PM)clep3705 Wrote: It's easy to get a lot of online courses completed quickly. There are websites where you can hire someone to take your online courses for a fee. That's why I prefer CLEP. The security and proctoring for CLEP makes CLEP credits more credible.
WHAT??? I've been killing myself since October and I could have been unscrupulous and hired someone to do all this work? I've not even hired anyone to write all these stinking papers, let alone take the exams. Apparently I'm far too honest. Sigh.
It's funny, because I really try to keep up on cheating and crime. It never, once, not one time dawned on me that this was possible. I knew you could get papers done, but... where there's a market, there's a provider
It's unbelievable btw. Probably 25 years ago I used to type papers for people (back when you used a <typewriter> google it kids) and I like to write, so a few years ago I offered to tutor for extra money on Craigslist and I put my name in on a freelance website for writers. My plan was to get some gigs and cash. Nearly every contact from both sources was for me to write an essay or paper for someone - like from scratch, not editing. In addition, I was contacted by someone to write their THESIS (lol yeah right, if I'm writing a thesis, there better be a degree that comes with it) which I found beyond explanation. Anyway, that little side hustle fizzled before it got started. ;(
RE: Shmoop explains what happened at TESU, says it's temporary... - Muldoon - 05-09-2018
(05-08-2018, 10:07 PM)High_Order1 Wrote:(05-08-2018, 07:21 PM)dfsquare Wrote:(05-08-2018, 05:02 PM)clep3705 Wrote: It's easy to get a lot of online courses completed quickly. There are websites where you can hire someone to take your online courses for a fee. That's why I prefer CLEP. The security and proctoring for CLEP makes CLEP credits more credible.
WHAT??? I've been killing myself since October and I could have been unscrupulous and hired someone to do all this work? I've not even hired anyone to write all these stinking papers, let alone take the exams. Apparently I'm far too honest. Sigh.
It's funny, because I really try to keep up on cheating and crime. It never, once, not one time dawned on me that this was possible. I knew you could get papers done, but... where there's a market, there's a provider
That never occurred to me either. I guess because most of the classes I'm looking at are proctored, and one would assume it'd be hard to cheat when you have to hold up your ID to take the final.