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Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - sanantone - 06-05-2016
Outis Wrote:And about this David Duke character -- you're right. Remember when Trump called Duke "a bigot, a racist, a problem"? He opted not to run on the third party ticket because it was two persons removed from a racist who gave verbal support of a candidate related to the party. Yeah, Trump is totally into the white power vote. How big of a voting bloc do you think these white power folks are? Let's think this one through. Sure Trump is pandering to folks - give me a candidate that's not.
There are a lot of xenophobes in this country and a large percentage of people in the U.S. have admitted to holding negative views of certain minority groups in surveys. One would think that people would be too afraid to admit these kinds of things, but people are surprisingly honest in anonymous surveys.
You don't get it. This is the problem. His past statements proved that he knew a lot about David Duke, but he pretended that he didn't recently.
Quote:John Heilemann: "We’ve heard this week that David Duke — former Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan — has come out and said he’s in support of your candidacy. So my first question is why do people like that like Donald Trump? And second, how do you feel about the David Duke quasi-endorsement?"
Trump: "I don’t know the answer to the first. Who knows why? But I don’t need his endorsement. I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement. I don’t need anybody’s endorsement. I’m not looking for…"
Heilemann: "Would you repudiate David Duke?"
Trump: "Sure, I would do that if it made you feel better. I would certainly repudiate. I don’t know anything about him. Somebody told me yesterday, whoever he is, he did endorse me. And actually I don’t think it was an endorsement. He said I was absolutely the best of all the candidates. But I wouldn’t want him …"
Quote:"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. okay? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know.
"I don't know, did he endorse me or what's going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about. …
"I don't know any -- honestly, I don't know David Duke. I don't believe I have ever met him. I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him. And I just don't know anything about him."
Donald Trump's absurd claim that he knows nothing about former KKK leader David Duke | PolitiFact
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - jsd - 06-05-2016
Meanwhile, Donald Trump Jr. books an interview with a known, current-day white supremacy leader to campaign for his dad LISTEN: Donald Trump Jr. And Pro-Confederate White Nationalist Complain About "Political Correctness"
And I don't think that proves Trump is racist. I think it proves his campaign knows who to pander too, and he's okay with it.
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - Outis - 06-05-2016
jsd Wrote:Meanwhile, Donald Trump Jr. books an interview with a known, current-day white supremacy leader to campaign for his dad LISTEN: Donald Trump Jr. And Pro-Confederate White Nationalist Complain About "Political Correctness"
And I don't think that proves Trump is racist. I think it proves his campaign knows who to pander too, and he's okay with it.
I am not even going to begin to parse through that media matters article. I encourage everyone else to if they like.
When you say "Donald Trump Jr. books an interview with a known, current-day white supremacy leader", it appears that you are being misleading. If you mean "known, current-day white supremacy leader" as in it is documented somewhere, then I suppose this is true (after looking this guy up). But if you mean "known" as in it is common knowledge among the general population (and especially of Trump Jr), then you are being dishonest.
Again, which makes the most sense? Some incompetent paper pusher scheduled an interview (and granted media credentials) with someone they hadn't fully vetted, or that the campaign really wants to grant interviews to white supremacist talking heads? How's the thinking on that one? Are they doing this to give a quiet nod to these losers? Well, any type of nod (the type you are suggesting) would obviously be much discussed in the white power realm. And I imagine a few folks would monitor an activity like that (media matteras?). Hmmm, not a great campaign strategy, I agree.
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - jsd - 06-05-2016
Donald Trump Jr's agency reached out to book the show on a supremacist's radio show, which is a show about his white nationalist views. To pretend booking agencies do no background check into what they're booking, as is their job, is naive.
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - Outis - 06-05-2016
jsd Wrote:Donald Trump Jr's agency reached out to book the show on a supremacist's radio show, which is a show about his white nationalist views. To pretend booking agencies do no background check into what they're booking, as is their job, is naive.
My logic below stands. Much more likely it was incompetence (for the reasons I just posted below).
I actually took a couple minutes and listened to the 3 minute clip of Trump Jr. It's not as if guests like this sit and listen to every episode (or even the entire current episode) - 10, 20, 30 or more appearances in a week is common.
It is so much more likely that the booking agency F'ed up, and made an appointment for a quick phone appearance.
Stretchin for the stars...if I wanted to dig into odd strategies that make no sense, I would say someone at the booking agency sent poor Trump Jr to the racist host to set him up! Then the left could talk about how the Trump campaign is deliberately pandering to white supremacists! Completely crazy right? Yet, you are suggesting that the Trump campaign did know of the host's pedigree, but somehow they thought media matters and watchdog groups wouldn't discover it....or that they would discover it, and are willing to take the hit. Ugh...yea doesn't make sense, bro. Makes a looooot more sense to simply accept that it is most likely a big fat dropped ball due to someones incompetence.
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - jsd - 06-05-2016
The agency made multiple attempts to get him on the show according to the host, so it wasn't a quick one-off. They sought the host out specifically.
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - jsd - 06-05-2016
Quote:Well, any type of nod (the type you are suggesting) would obviously be much discussed in the white power realm. And I imagine a few folks would monitor an activity like that (media matteras?)
Such as the endorsement from white supremacist leaders that the media HAS talked about which lead to this discussion in the thread to begin with?
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - sanantone - 06-05-2016
jsd Wrote:Donald Trump Jr's agency reached out to book the show on a supremacist's radio show, which is a show about his white nationalist views. To pretend booking agencies do no background check into what they're booking, as is their job, is naive.
Trump Jr. admitted that they booked the show with Sam Bushman through an agency, but claims that they didn't know that James Edwards was in the room. The problem is that Sam Bushman is a part of the American Policy Center which was listed as a hate group by SPLC. That listing has since been removed, but I think it's no coincidence that Sam Bushman would invite a white nationalist to be on his show.
Donald Trump Jr. Explains That White Supremacist Radio Interview Was an Accident | Mediaite
This is the type of story one can find on Sam Bushman's website.
Worshiping Jews is Racist | Liberty RoundTable
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - jsd - 06-05-2016
Edwards claim they contacted Edwards directly to be o his show first, and rescheduled to have them both talk on Bushman's show due to scheduling conflicts. So they worked with two known white supremacists.
Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for? - Outis - 06-05-2016
jsd Wrote:Such as the endorsement from white supremacist leaders that the media HAS talked about which lead to this discussion in the thread to begin with?Yes, that's my point.....reread what I am saying without a huge partisan slant.
Oh...nevermind. You are right. I am now convinced that the Trump campaign are deliberately courting white supremacist talk show hosts in order to garner support from that huge white power demographic (and of course their strategy would be to disavow once they get busted). The Trump campaign is really hammering home the white power nod, with their campaign spokeswoman, eh? A lot of effort to gain the support of < 1% of the voting population that doesn't in any way matter.
Or...human error at the booking agency? Nah.