(10-01-2023, 09:59 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: That's great, yes, create a customized spreadsheet template for yourself to max/mix the requirements with what's entered in both WIKI links, the main things is, deciding which courses you want to use with the provider of choice.  For example, English I shows Sophia.org on both links, but for English II, that changes due to each moderators preference... you want to modify it to your own liking, for example, you may decide to do the CLEP/MS as you get that free and you're 5 minutes from a testing site.  And if you can, please share your version so we can comment on any changes if needed to optimize your learning and max use of alternative credits for both BACS/BSBA CIS...

(10-02-2023, 01:24 PM)rachel83az Wrote: Just as a warning: for English Comp II specifically, Sophia tends to grade erratically and take their sweet time. Just this course alone has taken some students several months due to grading times and having to repeatedly resubmit papers that ought to be at least a "pass". It's also required to get a passing grade on every single paper, even if one failed paper wouldn't impact whether or not you've passed the class. Sophia's issues with papers is pretty much exclusive to this one class; their other classes with papers are usually graded more quickly and fairly. Often within 1-2 days, perhaps even hours.

For Study.com, there is a proctored exam for the English Comp II equivalent, but it has less weight than the papers. Also, they tend to be faster and fairer with grading than Sophia for English Comp II. And, with SDC, you can stop as soon as you hit the required number of points for a pass. You can also submit SDC papers as you finish them, unlike Sophia where you have to wait for the previous paper to be graded before submitting the next one. So even though there are more papers for SDC's English Comp II when compared to Sophia, most students can get away with completing fewer of them and in a shorter period of time. Sometimes in under a month, compared to Sophia's 2-3 months or more.

The TECEP is a bit weird. It's mostly writing a single essay based on a prompt they give you, though there are some other tasks thrown in as well. It's not super difficult, but I think it is kind of strange.

The DSST is a multiple-choice exam with no writing required at all.

The CLEP that counts for English Comp I & II at TESU is both multiple choice and an essay.

Then for students who need RA credit, there is the ASU course. It's a lot of work, but it's entirely papers and no exams at all: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University_Universal_Learner It's also $425.

(10-04-2023, 03:03 AM)rachel83az Wrote: First off, I only see 15 RA credits. You need a total of 30 of them (or 30 RA-equivalent credits). For Comp Sci/BSBA CIS students, this can easily break down to a number of credits from XAMK/Metropolia + a single final flat-rate term of 15 credits at TESU. That's probably both the simplest and easiest way to go about things. If you'd rather take everything at TESU, that's fine. You can take 5 TECEPs (I know you said you don't like exams, but the option is there) or do a second 15-credit flat-rate term of easy gen ed classes.

Secondly, TESU offers equivalencies for a lot of courses that they themselves don't actually offer. For a few of their degrees, TESU offers no classes at all for the AOS! For the Sophia classes, the only confirmation that they'll meet the requirements is the wiki itself. The wiki is the distillation of dozens/hundreds of prior students reporting what did and did not transfer. If it did transfer, what it transferred in as and where it went. Similar to Study.com, there used to be an official Sophia -> TESU transfer page, but Sophia & TESU are no longer "official partners" and that page has since been erased.

(10-04-2023, 11:57 AM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Actually, you don't need any foreign transfer credits, you have the two flat terms I mentioned in my first reply...  You do 15 credits each flat term to get the 30 credits... In fact, 1 flat term can get you 27 RA credits and you can do a TECEP to hit the 30, but because you have tuition assistance, you can do two terms.  You need to start the flat term next month, so you have to apply, transfer credits in, wait for evaluation and select 5 classes.

Here's an example of the first 5 courses and then the next 5, mold it into your degree plan.  This will get you the double associates, double bachelors, do not add any certificates until you are done with the degree, skip thinking about the associates (add it and forget it), just add the program and it will be 'complete' when you are done with your Bachelors.

1) Add your first Associates - AAS Applied Computer Studies & AAS Environmental, Safety, and Security Technologies
2) Add your second Associates - AS Computer Science & Math (again, it's a dual AOS as above in one degree)
3) Add your first Bachelors - BSBA Computer Info Systems
4) Add your second Bachelors - BA Computer Science

First Flat Rate Term: PLA-1010, SOS-1100 (Cornerstone), APS-2950 (Associates Capstone), SOC-2040: ACI Course, E-Pack #1.
Second Flat Rate Term: LIBCE-495 (BACS Capstone), BUS-4210 (BSBA Capstone), E-Packs #1, 2, 3.
Note: Your PLA gets you additional 12 'buffer' RA credits for any 'elective courses' you want to get credit for, this is an awesome option to get credit for the freebie Coursera/ACE options.

Easiest E-Packs for you:
Computer Concepts and Applications (CIS-1070)
Introduction to Marketing (MKT-2010)
American Government (POS-1100)
Our Changing World: An Introduction to Sociology (SOC-1010)

Big 3 PLA Compared: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-PLA-at-the-Big-3-Compared
Courses vs Residency Waiver #1: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-TESU-Residency-Waiver-vs-Taking-Courses
16 Credits vs Residency Waiver #2: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Options-for-16-Credits-to-Rid-of-Residency-Waiver-Fee
ACTFL/Foreign Credits: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-ACTFL-or-Foreign-Credit-Transfer-to-Big-3
Transfer Policy: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-TESU-Transfer-Policy-Explained

(10-04-2023, 11:57 AM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Actually, you don't need any foreign transfer credits, you have the two flat terms I mentioned in my first reply...  You do 15 credits each flat term to get the 30 credits... In fact, 1 flat term can get you 27 RA credits and you can do a TECEP to hit the 30, but because you have tuition assistance, you can do two terms.  You need to start the flat term next month, so you have to apply, transfer credits in, wait for evaluation and select 5 classes.

Here's an example of the first 5 courses and then the next 5, mold it into your degree plan.  This will get you the double associates, double bachelors, do not add any certificates until you are done with the degree, skip thinking about the associates (add it and forget it), just add the program and it will be 'complete' when you are done with your Bachelors.

1) Add your first Associates - AAS Applied Computer Studies & AAS Environmental, Safety, and Security Technologies
2) Add your second Associates - AS Computer Science & Math (again, it's a dual AOS as above in one degree)
3) Add your first Bachelors - BSBA Computer Info Systems
4) Add your second Bachelors - BA Computer Science

First Flat Rate Term: PLA-1010, SOS-1100 (Cornerstone), APS-2950 (Associates Capstone), SOC-2040: ACI Course, E-Pack #1.
Second Flat Rate Term: LIBCE-495 (BACS Capstone), BUS-4210 (BSBA Capstone), E-Packs #1, 2, 3.
Note: Your PLA gets you additional 12 'buffer' RA credits for any 'elective courses' you want to get credit for, this is an awesome option to get credit for the freebie Coursera/ACE options.

Easiest E-Packs for you:
Computer Concepts and Applications (CIS-1070)
Introduction to Marketing (MKT-2010)
American Government (POS-1100)
Our Changing World: An Introduction to Sociology (SOC-1010)

Big 3 PLA Compared: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-PLA-at-the-Big-3-Compared
Courses vs Residency Waiver #1: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-TESU-Residency-Waiver-vs-Taking-Courses
16 Credits vs Residency Waiver #2: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Options-for-16-Credits-to-Rid-of-Residency-Waiver-Fee
ACTFL/Foreign Credits: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-ACTFL-or-Foreign-Credit-Transfer-to-Big-3
Transfer Policy: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-TESU-Transfer-Policy-Explained