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RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - rockstone_Q - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 04:53 AM)rachel83az Wrote: Why are you taking so many TECEPs?
It feels like that's the only way I can really escape the Civics GEs, since most courses they list for it have no equivalencies in other alt-credit institutions. As for the AOS Math electives, it felt like I had no other choice. I know I shouldn't go beyond 8, as to comply with residency and RA requirements while spending less.
(09-01-2022, 04:53 AM)rachel83az Wrote: You don't literally have to take what's outlined in the catalog.
How can I check what's really obligatory and what's a suggestion for this AOS? Is it hidden info only counselors, admissions and current students get?
(09-01-2022, 04:53 AM)rachel83az Wrote: Most of your math courses have to come from RA sources, and quite possibly some from TESU, so start there and work backwards. As soon as you have the RA credits that you want/need, start filling out the rest from cheaper/easier sources.
So when making a plan, I should start with the AOS, UL and RA sources first, and then figure out GE and electives?
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(09-01-2022, 06:19 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Anyway, a BA in Math cannot be gotten via alt-credit like most degrees we discuss on here, especially coming from zero credits.
You mean it's harder, or that it's not worthwhile, or that's impossible? I have zero credits because I want to straighten this plan out, before getting them. It's possible to accumulate credits from Sophia, TECEPs etc before applying for a TESU term, right?
(09-01-2022, 06:19 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Is your dad paying for this degree? If not, then I think you should look for a different degree. A BALS that's heavy on math and science is ok, but there's probably something else out there from a different school that would work better. Check out SNHU, UMGC, Franklin University, Wilmington University - those all allow for 90cr of transfer and take ACE, and may have degrees that better fit with your goals.
I'll play with different degree plans and see how much more I can save.
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(09-01-2022, 10:36 AM)bjcheung77 Wrote: @rockstone_Q, what's your favorite subjects besides Math? What's your second/third choice after Math? Is it Chem/Physics? What about Comp Sci or Data Analytics? You can create a couple plans, one for a BALS NSM and one for BA Math by following the steps on the Wiki. See which ones appeal to you and take as many courses you can outside of Math for your free electives in subject areas you like, such as Chem/Physics or other STEM related courses.
A close second choice would be Physics, third would be Chemistry. I never had enough of an interest in computers to go as far as to learn about them in an undergraduate level, and much less to be a "proper" programmer. If the urge ever comes, I'd do fine without a specialized degree. I've also thought of adding an AS in Business after my OP, just to up my "employability".
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(09-01-2022, 11:58 AM)LevelUP Wrote: We have someone finishing up a TESU Math degree now.
He is doing MAT-361 College Geometry, MAT-301 History of Mathematics, and MAT-331 Calculus III as TESU courses.
Are those courses unable to be tested out of? Or is it just more expensive to do so?
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - LevelUP - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 02:25 PM)sarahmac Wrote: Lower level math requirements still have to be 200 level inside Part F! "AOS Elective courses must be at the 200-400 academic level".
A lot of the ones on the Wiki are incorrect. The only lower level classes currently listed on the wiki that count inside Part F are Discrete Math and Geometry (both SDC). The CSM course also works there, though it is not listed on the wiki, because it comes in at the 200 level.
All of the 100 levels listed under Part F must be moved to Part G, where they do count. I presume this is a more recent change? I am on last year's catalog, and it states it on this year's too.
Where do you see the course must be 200 level? Can you print out a pdf of your catalog degree plan without your name using Fireshot/whatever and upload it to a post?
btw
Discrete Mathematics comes into TESU as MAT-270
Intro to Geometry comes into TESU as MAT-260 Geometry
https://study.com/college/school/thomas-edison-state-university.html
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - carrythenothing - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 02:45 PM)LevelUP Wrote: Where do you see the course must be 200 level? Can you print out a pdf of your catalog degree plan without your name using Fireshot/whatever and upload it to a post?
btw
Discrete Mathematics comes into TESU as MAT-270
Intro to Geometry comes into TESU as MAT-260 Geometry
https://study.com/college/school/thomas-edison-state-university.html
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RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - rachel83az - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 02:39 PM)rockstone_Q Wrote: It feels like that's the only way I can really escape the Civics GEs, since most courses they list for it have no equivalencies in other alt-credit institutions. As for the AOS Math electives, it felt like I had no other choice. I know I shouldn't go beyond 8, as to comply with residency and RA requirements while spending less.Not sure what you're talking about here. The wiki clearly lists alt credit options for every single gen ed course: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_General_Education_Requirements_Roadmap Some of them only have 1 or 2 choices, but that still allows you to pick and choose when to go with an RA option and when not to.
(09-01-2022, 02:39 PM)rockstone_Q Wrote: How can I check what's really obligatory and what's a suggestion for this AOS? Is it hidden info only counselors, admissions and current students get?See the wiki. Mostly ignore the TESU site. The wiki is based on the experiences of dozens (hundreds?) of students over many years. The TESU catalog is based on TESU class offerings to make TESU money.
(09-01-2022, 02:39 PM)rockstone_Q Wrote:Yes, exactly. Unless you're trying to get into a specific Master's degree program, you probably don't need more than the TESU minimum of 24 RA credits + capstone/cornerstone.(09-01-2022, 04:53 AM)rachel83az Wrote: Most of your math courses have to come from RA sources, and quite possibly some from TESU, so start there and work backwards. As soon as you have the RA credits that you want/need, start filling out the rest from cheaper/easier sources.
So when making a plan, I should start with the AOS, UL and RA sources first, and then figure out GE and electives?
(09-01-2022, 02:39 PM)rockstone_Q Wrote:dfrecore is slightly mistaken. You can get most of your AOS credits via alternate means, and I've updated the wiki to reflect this: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_BA_Mathematics_Degree_Plan(09-01-2022, 06:19 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Anyway, a BA in Math cannot be gotten via alt-credit like most degrees we discuss on here, especially coming from zero credits.
You mean it's harder, or that it's not worthwhile, or that's impossible? I have zero credits because I want to straighten this plan out, before getting them. It's possible to accumulate credits from Sophia, TECEPs etc before applying for a TESU term, right?
(09-01-2022, 02:39 PM)rockstone_Q Wrote:Those specific courses cannot be taken elsewhere. Well, Calculus III can, technically. But it's easier and cheaper to incorporate Calc III as part of a 16-credit term. If you're very good at math, you can do MAT-361, MAT-301, MAT-331, capstone, cornerstone, and PLA-100 for your 16-credit term. Less ambitious students or students with less free time might want to only take 1 or 2 UL math classes at a time and take other classes as part of a 16-credit term.(09-01-2022, 11:58 AM)LevelUP Wrote: We have someone finishing up a TESU Math degree now.
He is doing MAT-361 College Geometry, MAT-301 History of Mathematics, and MAT-331 Calculus III as TESU courses.
Are those courses unable to be tested out of? Or is it just more expensive to do so?
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - LevelUP - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 02:56 PM)carrythenothing Wrote:(09-01-2022, 02:45 PM)LevelUP Wrote: Where do you see the course must be 200 level? Can you print out a pdf of your catalog degree plan without your name using Fireshot/whatever and upload it to a post?
btw
Discrete Mathematics comes into TESU as MAT-270
Intro to Geometry comes into TESU as MAT-260 Geometry
https://study.com/college/school/thomas-edison-state-university.html
So the 12 Natural Sciences and Mathematics Electives can be any level, right?
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - rachel83az - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 03:06 PM)LevelUP Wrote: So the 12 Natural Sciences and Mathematics Electives can be any level, right?
Natural Science, Computer Science, and Math. And, yes. Part G can be anything, though it can contribute to the UL requirements if you're not able to meet them in the rest of the AOS.
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - LevelUP - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 03:09 PM)rachel83az Wrote:(09-01-2022, 03:06 PM)LevelUP Wrote: So the 12 Natural Sciences and Mathematics Electives can be any level, right?
Natural Science, Computer Science, and Math. And, yes. Part G can be anything, though it can contribute to the UL requirements if you're not able to meet them in the rest of the AOS.
So maybe we should add a note that part F math electives that are LL must be at least 200?
And also, clarify Discrete Math comes in as MAT-270.
"The CSM course also works there, though it is not listed on the wiki, because it comes in at the 200 level."
This course comes in as Quantitative Skills Business BUS-210. Does this work for part F?
That is a quick/cheap/easy course.
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - carrythenothing - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 03:30 PM)LevelUP Wrote: This course comes in as Quantitative Skills Business BUS-210. Does this work for part F?
Yes, it works for part F.
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - bluebooger - 09-01-2022
(09-01-2022, 02:58 PM)rachel83az Wrote:(09-01-2022, 02:39 PM)rockstone_Q Wrote:Those specific courses cannot be taken elsewhere. Well, Calculus III can, technically....(09-01-2022, 11:58 AM)LevelUP Wrote: We have someone finishing up a TESU Math degree now.
He is doing MAT-361 College Geometry, MAT-301 History of Mathematics, and MAT-331 Calculus III as TESU courses.
Are those courses unable to be tested out of? Or is it just more expensive to do so?
what about https://explore.suny.edu/courses/163428 History of Mathematics: Advanced
or https://catalog.apus.edu/undergraduate/academic-programs/bachelors/bachelor-science-mathematics/bachelor-science-mathematics.pdf Mathematics History and Development
RE: TESU Mathematics BA degree plan - dfrecore - 09-01-2022
Not sure where the info for the degree came from, but the degree plan is a bit off:
I.A: 15cr
ENC-101 & ENC-102: English Composition [These TECEPs are easy, and count as RA] 3+3c
Oral Comm>>COM-209: Public Speaking [Sophia] 3c
MAT-105: Applied Liberal Arts Mathematics [TECEP] 3c - This TECEP is easy, and counts as RA
SOS-110: Critical Information Literacy [Cornerstone] 3c RA(TESU)
B: 9cr
SOC-210: Marriage and the Family [TECEP] 3c RA - Introduction to Sociology may be an easier TECEP
ETH-210: Environmental Ethics [TECEP] 3c RA
POS-282: Introduction to Comparative Politics [TECEP] 3c RA
C: 15cr
ENG-201: Technical Writing [TECEP] 3c
PHI-130: Introduction to Critical Reasoning [TECEP] 3c RA
ECO-111 & ECO-112: Micro/Macroeconomics [Sophia] 3+3c
>>You need at least 1 history course here, and then 1 additional course in either SocSci or Hum
D: 6cr
CIS-107: Computer Concepts and Applications [TECEP] 3c This TECEP is easy, and counts as RA
BIO-101: Introductory Biology [Sophia] 3c
II.A: I would take Calc I & II from the same place - I don't think Sophia's Calc course will prepare you for Calc II
MAT-231: MAT250: General Calculus I [Straighterline] 3cr
MAT-232: MAT251: General Calculus II [Straighterline] 3cr
MAT-331: Calculus III [TECEP? - This is not offered as a TECEP] 3c
STA-201: Principles of Statistics [Sophia] 3c
MAT-305: Linear Algebra [Coopersmith] 3c
B:
MAT-332: Calculus IV [TECEP? This is not offered as a TECEP] 3c (RA(TESU)?)
MAT-361: College Geometry [TECEP? This is not offered as a TECEP] 3c (RA(TESU)?)
MAT-301: Math History [TECEP? This is not offered as a TECEP] 3c (RA(TESU)?)
MAT-401: Mathematical Modeling [TECEP? This is not offered as a TECEP] 3c (RA(TESU)?)
MAT-351: Mathematical Logic [TECEP? This is not offered as a TECEP] 3c (RA(TESU)?)
C:
???
D:
LIB-495: Liberal Arts [Capstone] 3c RA(TESU)
III:
MAT-129: Precalculus [Sophia] 3c Sophia does not offer Precalc
Coopersmith's Culinary courses, maybe
???