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TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dice146 - 05-17-2017
Thanks everyone. I've spoken with TESU reps about my eval briefly and how did I NOT get credit for "INTRO to Law Enforcement" That's a JOKE. 22+ yrs of law enforcement with all kinds certs in classes they are giving. Then talking to them about the PLA was difficult. I got two diff answers from people on the phone. Then emailed them and someone didn't answer my specific question at all. It was basically a YES OR NO question you would get on the stand in court and it never got answered............ Ughhhh
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dfrecore - 05-17-2017
dice146 Wrote:Thanks everyone. I've spoken with TESU reps about my eval briefly and how did I NOT get credit for "INTRO to Law Enforcement" That's a JOKE. 22+ yrs of law enforcement with all kinds certs in classes they are giving. Then talking to them about the PLA was difficult. I got two diff answers from people on the phone. Then emailed them and someone didn't answer my specific question at all. It was basically a YES OR NO question you would get on the stand in court and it never got answered............ Ughhhh
Your best bet, if you want to go with TESU, and you want to do PLA's, is to go through their process. On their website, TESU does show that you have to complete PLA-200 in order to get credits assessed. That would mean paying $792 for tuition for that 2cr course (you get in-state tuition of $396/cr). Then, you pay $389 for 12cr to get assessed, and then $221 for every additional 6cr. That works out to $33-$37 per credit for your PLA's, if you just look at the cost of the PLA tuition. BUT, if you look at the tuition of the PLA course + that first $389, then you're looking at $98/cr. Which you could find for less elsewhere.
If you know that you can get some of those credits that are harder to find, then it's probably worth it. If that was the case, I would probably do at least 12, if not 18 or 24cr.
If, on the other hand, you think it might just be faster and easier to test out of these, you could probably start doing the CSU-Global CBE's ($250 each), and the Propero courses ($299-$330/course). But this is only worth it if you an get ALL of your credits done this way. If you have to take even 1 course at TESU, then you may be better off doing a combination. Find out (get pre approved) all of the CSU-Global CBE's and Propero courses, to make sure that all of the requirements for the degree are covered. If they are, then I would just test out and take courses. But, if there's a requirement that cannot be completed between all of these courses, then you may be better off PLA-ing the courses you need for the requirement that can't be found, and then testing out of the rest.
If you post the courses that TESU gave you credit for - course number at TESU (not at the previous school), course name, and where they put it - then we can create a degree plan for you showing what you need to still get, and you can work with TESU to get the requirements hammered out.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dice146 - 05-17-2017
Fantastic ......... Thank you so much. Now i have a lot more questions for them on Friday.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dfrecore - 05-17-2017
dice146 Wrote:Fantastic ......... Thank you so much. Now i have a lot more questions for them on Friday.
Here's the unfortunate thing when talking to them about this. You need to ask very specific questions in order to get the info you want. Even then, it may not be easy, depending on who you talk to. Remember, their job is not to help you get this degree as quickly and cheaply as possible. If they did that for everyone, they'd go out of business. Their job is to get you to pay as much as possible to take their own courses, as many of them as possible, to get your degree. Also keep in mind that they all won't know about testing out. They are not knowledgeable in that area (most anyway). That's what we are here for.
Here's an example that pertains to anyone (not just a CJ major). Don't actually do this example, because we already know what will work: You want to take the American Government CLEP/SL/Study.com course/exam and transfer it in for the Civic Engagement requirement. You know this is possible because you've learned that here. You cannot go to a TESU advisor and ask "What outside course or exam can I take to meet this requirement?" Instead, you need to ask "Does the AG CLEP exam fulfill the Civic Engagement requirement?"
So, for the CJ courses, you need to ask very specifically "Will XYZ course fulfill the Research Methods in the Social Sciences requirement?" You actually need to know for each individual course in the AOS that we don't already know here.
I created a degree plan for you, and also added a second page with all of the courses/exams I have on my list that might work.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dice146 - 05-17-2017
That's awesome. Thank you again. with my 64 credits already earned plus what you just showed me. This will help out a great deal.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dfrecore - 05-17-2017
dice146 Wrote:That's awesome. Thank you again. with my 64 credits already earned plus what you just showed me. This will help out a great deal.
If you post your credits you've already earned, I can help you further. Sometimes TESU doesn't put them where they should, so I can move some around if need be.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dfrecore - 05-17-2017
Just going back through and looking at some things. A couple of things I found:
1) Someone said you can take Saylor's PLA-100 and PLA-200, the are aligned with TESU, not for credit - but I'm not sure these are really courses at Saylor, as I can't find them. It discusses Portfolio Assessment all over the place there, but doesn't show how to take these courses at Saylor, so I'm not sure the person understood the wording on the website. Can't hurt to ask TESU about it though.
2) We know for certain which Propero courses come in as which requirements for the degree, but not necessarily CSU-Global. You may want to find out if CSU-G's courses will work for the following:
CSU-G CBE Public Policy and Strategy >> Public Policy and Criminal Justice requirement
CSU-G CBE Evaluation of Research & Theory in Human Services >> Research Methods in the Social Sciences requirement
CSU-G CBE Legal and Ethical Issues in Human Servicess >> Ethics in the Justice System requirement
Just trying to get some info to populate my spreadsheet, it certainly helps when people ask questions and get info back from TESU, even if it's bad news.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - davewill - 05-17-2017
They don't seem to be courses at Saylor. They are mentioned here:
https://www.saylor.org/pathways/open-course-option-for-asba/
and link to free versions published by TESU here:
https://sites.google.com/a/courses.tesc.edu/pla-100-public/
https://sites.google.com/a/courses.tesc.edu/pla-200-public/
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - sanantone - 05-17-2017
The Saylor links are not courses. They are just there to tell you how to complete a PLA. If you have never taken an introductory PLA course or earned credits for a PLA at another school, PLA 200 at TESU is a required prerequisite for challenging more than three credits.
TESU to finish my bach in Crim Jus QUES about PLA? - dice146 - 05-19-2017
Had a great convo with Academic advisor from TESU about my degree plans. Basically I think the PLA would be a waste of time and money for me. Most of the subjects that they have listed that I am an expert in wouldn't go towards my degree. I explained that I don't care what the degree is in, just want my BA. So he said it might be easier to just do Lib Arts. He did a new eval and now I have LESS classes to take. Weeeeeeeeeeee still need to take the same kinda classes.
So with what you all explained to me this week and that conversation............ I have a great understanding now of what to do and how to do it. Lets see what happens.