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...There Are No Words... - ShotoJuku - 12-20-2012
Matters not whether it was a gun nut or a nut job - it's the VICTIMS who matter most!
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...There Are No Words... - OE800_85 - 12-20-2012
I love how when gun activists say "I told you so" they are pushing an agenda. Of course we are. Our agenda is saving lives.
...There Are No Words... - merolpn - 12-20-2012
0E800_85
Everybody wants to save lives. That is not a trademarked position only reserved for the anti-gun crowd. I have no doubt your position comes from a kind heart. How about the 1.2 million abortions in the country every year? If saving lives is your goal what are you doing to stop that? How about the drunk driving fatalities? Sure, they have gone down (slowly) but there are more DWI fatalities than gun murders. There are more murders with knives than rifles, I guess we just HAVE to accept those right? How can we lower knife crime? Certainly we can do way more to save all of these lives that are no less precious.
The 3-1 ratio of defensive gun use to gun crime probably means nothing right? Even the lowest (ever) NCVS estimate says defensive gun uses occur 60,000+ times a year, more accepted and reviewed ones put it over 1,000,000 times. It must be be a lie right? I know, those gun nut guys are always lying and pulling numbers out of thin air so they can justify having some ridiculous Constitutional Amendment that was written by old white guys who thought slavery was cool 300 years ago. Im sure the 2nd amendment was only intended for the army and national guard, right? Ya know what, now that I think about it that way, we should probably just sit down and re-write the whole constitution. After all a country of gun toting drunk drug users that can't drive will do a way better job at making laws than those morons that started this country. On second thought, I will stick with the status quo because I gotta go to work. I'm going to do my best right on the roads to dip & dive, swerve & slide and bob and weave my way through all the knife toting drunks who are driving to the abortion clinic.
I want to save lives too.
...There Are No Words... - rebel100 - 12-20-2012
merolpn Wrote:0E800_85Damn, very well said.
Everybody wants to save lives. That is not a trademarked position only reserved for the anti-gun crowd. I have no doubt your position comes from a kind heart. How about the 1.2 million abortions in the country every year? If saving lives is your goal what are you doing to stop that? How about the drunk driving fatalities? Sure, they have gone down (slowly) but there are more DWI fatalities than gun murders. There are more murders with knives than rifles, I guess we just HAVE to accept those right? How can we lower knife crime? Certainly we can do way more to save all of these lives that are no less precious.
The 3-1 ratio of defensive gun use to gun crime probably means nothing right? Even the lowest (ever) NCVS estimate says defensive gun uses occur 60,000+ times a year, more accepted and reviewed ones put it over 1,000,000 times. It must be be a lie right? I know, those gun nut guys are always lying and pulling numbers out of thin air so they can justify having some ridiculous Constitutional Amendment that was written by old white guys who thought slavery was cool 300 years ago. Im sure the 2nd amendment was only intended for the army and national guard, right? Ya know what, now that I think about it that way, we should probably just sit down and re-write the whole constitution. After all a country of gun toting drunk drug users that can't drive will do a way better job at making laws than those morons that started this country. On second thought, I will stick with the status quo because I gotta go to work. I'm going to do my best right on the roads to dip & dive, swerve & slide and bob and weave my way through all the knife toting drunks who are driving to the abortion clinic.
I want to save lives too.
...There Are No Words... - OE800_85 - 12-20-2012
First of all, of course knife deaths are higher than gun deaths. It's a question of access. I'll tell you, you'll have a real hard time finding mass murders involving knives or anything else besides guns. Even a simple student of history can understand the impact guns have.
Another question, what makes America so special? Why is the rest of the developed world regulating guns while America isn't? And why is homicide drastically higher in America? I suppose we aren't humans, the people of these countries have solved problems that don't apply to America.
Also, what relevance does abortion and drunk driving have? There are many ways people die, sure, but these are different problems that are approached differently. Abotrion is a whole other topic, the center of which is the definition of a life. Not everyone holds the same opinion as you, and they certainly don't think it's taking a life. With drunk driving I'm in complete agreement, however I think this is a problem we've done a lot to solve. Granted, there's much more to do but considering the frequency of car use, drunk driving fatalities have improved over time.
The self defense argument is a ridiculous one. For starters, in the vast majority of these reports there is no record of all at the shooting. Yes, these numbers are total lies and really pulled out of someone's ass. If it were true, there would be medical records of the victims, of which there aren't. Another point I'd like to add. In the case of most crimes, they are not violent. Someone breaks into your home to steal your tv, they're not looking to hurt anyone. It's an extremely rare case where the intention is violent. However, once one introduces a gun, it becomes a violent crime, and it's very much kill or be killed at that point.
The fact remains that most people aren't using their guns to defend themselves. Experts estimate the average person might have that encounter once in their entire life, and even in that scenario, their odds of actually using it are next to none. The real use comes out in moments of anger, debate, and frustration, when we are temporarily irrational. It's just like fighting. Most of the time when we fight, we look back at how stupid we were. A drunken argument, a sour feeling towards someone, these kinds of situations often result in gun use. The worst scenario, is when someone (either insane, or with a simple cold desire to kill) gets his/her hands on guns (assault weapons in particular) and goes on a killing spree. And let's not be naive and pretend we can identify every possible killer prior to committing their crimes. It's just ridiculous. Even big brother didn't have that kind of power. When you're toting your gun and not letting go, I hope it's not your child that gets gunned down, because it would be a horrible way to learn a lesson.
...There Are No Words... - ShotoJuku - 12-21-2012
Perhaps there are words........
Classmates Forever!
[COLOR="#008000"]Twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38
When 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate.
Their smiles were contagious; their laughter filled the air.
They could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
They were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.
They remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"Where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"This is heaven,â declared a small boy, "we're spending Christmas at God's house."
When what to their wondering eyes did appear,
But Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
Then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
And in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring
Those children all flew into the arms of their King
And as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace,
One small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
And as if He could read all the questions she had He gently whispered to her,
"I'll take care of mom and dad."
Then He looked down on earth, the world far below
He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe
Then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"May this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
Then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"Come now my children, let me show you around."
Excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
All displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
And I heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight,
"In the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT." [/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]Twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38
When 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate.
Their smiles were contagious; their laughter filled the air.
They could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
They were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.
They remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"Where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"This is heaven,â declared a small boy, "we're spending Christmas at God's house."
When what to their wondering eyes did appear,
But Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
Then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
And in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring
Those children all flew into the arms of their King
And as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace,
One small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
And as if He could read all the questions she had He gently whispered to her,
"I'll take care of mom and dad."
Then He looked down on earth, the world far below
He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe
Then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"May this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
Then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"Come now my children, let me show you around."
Excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
All displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
And I heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight,
"In the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT." [/COLOR]