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Are you assuming that Latin will be the easiest language for the student to learn? Spanish shouldn't be that much harder, but the grammar is rather different from English grammar. English is actually a Germanic language and several people have told me that German is really easy for English speakers to learn.
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clep3705 Wrote:Is it possible to take 9 hours of Latin online, 6 at the 1000 level and 3 at the 2000 level?
Latin is offered as an AP exam, that would be worth 3-6 depending on score and school. AP Central - The AP Latin Exam
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I am assuming that Latin would be easy to learn, partly because it isn't taught as a spoken language. Plus myedu.com shows that Latin courses at UT Austin have reasonably good grade distributions. Taken as an extension course, the student is allowed 5 months to complete it.
Still need to find a sophomore level course.
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sanantone Wrote:Are you assuming that Latin will be the easiest language for the student to learn? Spanish shouldn't be that much harder, but the grammar is rather different from English grammar. English is actually a Germanic language and several people have told me that German is really easy for English speakers to learn.
I've taken all of 'em mentioned - Latin, German, Spanish and of course, English. And a few others, besides, over the years. OK , English is basically a Germanic language, but due to several causes, the vocabulary has undergone much Latinization - to about 65%, in fact. A benefit of Latin is that it will improve a person's English - both vocabulary knowledge and the precision that comes from knowing grammar in an absolute sense.
German grammar actually resembles Latin Grammar much more than it resembles English grammar - and it's very precise. There are more noun-cases than in English, though a bit less than Latin. (No ablative case in German, thankfully!) It has three genders - and inanimate things can belong to any one of them - and you're going to be memorizing case-endings, verb-endings etc. galore. Yes, speaking it can come easier than some other languages, as some words will be familiar.
You won't have so many complexities to deal with in Spanish, where grammar is a lot simpler. There are still conjugations and verb-endings to learn, but they are less complex and numerous than in Latin. Also only two genders - no neuter. I'd say it's the simplest of the bunch mentioned, to learn as a second or subsequent language.
Learning Latin gives a good extra entry key to modern Romance languages - Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian etc. And if you know Latin grammar - you know grammar, period! The principles you learn, you can apply to all sorts of languages - whether the vocabulary is familiar or not.
And of course, there's always classical Roman literature to read, or a whole range of Medieval writing. 
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Johann Wrote:I've taken all of 'em mentioned - Latin, German, Spanish and of course, English. And a few others, besides, over the years. OK , English is basically a Germanic language, but due to several causes, the vocabulary has undergone much Latinization - to about 65%, in fact. A benefit of Latin is that it will improve a person's English - both vocabulary knowledge and the precision that comes from knowing grammar in an absolute sense.
German grammar actually resembles Latin Grammar much more than it resembles English grammar - and it's very precise. There are more noun-cases than in English, though a bit less than Latin. (No ablative case in German, thankfully!) It has three genders - and inanimate things can belong to any one of them - and you're going to be memorizing case-endings, verb-endings etc. galore. Yes, speaking it can come easier than some other languages, as some words will be familiar.
You won't have so many complexities to deal with in Spanish, where grammar is a lot simpler. There are still conjugations and verb-endings to learn, but they are less complex and numerous than in Latin. Also only two genders - no neuter. I'd say it's the simplest of the bunch mentioned, to learn as a second or subsequent language.
Learning Latin gives a good extra entry key to modern Romance languages - Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian etc. And if you know Latin grammar - you know grammar, period! The principles you learn, you can apply to all sorts of languages - whether the vocabulary is familiar or not.
And of course, there's always classical Roman literature to read, or a whole range of Medieval writing.
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I took Spanish for 3 years and found the grammar to be a lot more complicated than English grammar. The most annoying part is learning irregular verbs and the exceptions to the gender rules.
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sanantone Wrote:I took Spanish for 3 years and found the grammar to be a lot more complicated than English grammar. The most annoying part is learning irregular verbs and the exceptions to the gender rules.
OK - some might indeed find it annoying - but let me tell you, there is a LOT more complexity to Latin (or German) grammar. 3 genders, randomly used, four cases (and appropriate gender/number case endings) for German nouns, six of them for Latin, (only 3 in Spanish or English) 5 declensions (case-endings series) for Latin nouns, more conjugations in Latin than Spanish, many irregular verbs in both languages. It's more than 50 years ago now, but I can still remember 1959 as the "year of the subjunctive." We studied it in Latin, French and German simultaneously!
If I hadn't studied Latin grammar first, I would have had a harder time with the concepts of German grammar. And as I see it, the main grammar rules of English or any of the Romance languages I've studied are a picnic, comparatively speaking. As I said -- you know Latin grammar, you know grammar, period. It's good for that, if nothing else -- but I think there are other benefits, too.
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Johann Wrote:OK - some might indeed find it annoying - but let me tell you, there is a LOT more complexity to Latin (or German) grammar. 3 genders, randomly used, four cases (and appropriate gender/number case endings) for German nouns, six of them for Latin, (only 3 in Spanish or English) 5 declensions (case-endings series) for Latin nouns, more conjugations in Latin than Spanish, many irregular verbs in both languages. It's more than 50 years ago now, but I can still remember 1959 as the "year of the subjunctive." We studied it in Latin, French and German simultaneously!
If I hadn't studied Latin grammar first, I would have had a harder time with the concepts of German grammar. And as I see it, the main grammar rules of English or any of the Romance languages I've studied are a picnic, comparatively speaking. As I said -- you know Latin grammar, you know grammar, period. It's good for that, if nothing else -- but I think there are other benefits, too.
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I don't know what kind of difficulties the OP is trying to avoid, but I'm sure she is looking for the easiest language. You're making the case that Latin would be the most difficult.
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sanantone Wrote:I don't know what kind of difficulties the OP is trying to avoid, but I'm sure she is looking for the easiest language. You're making the case that Latin would be the most difficult. Yes - I believe it would. If the OP is looking for an easier one, I'd suggest Spanish. Latin (and German) grammar is more structured/inflected. You might learn to converse in German OK, but it would more difficult than Spanish to pass a written exam, where the rigid and diligent application of grammar (endings etc.) is what makes (or costs) marks.
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