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(05-19-2020, 10:03 PM)ss20ts Wrote: Higher education is a business. ALL colleges - non-profit and for-profit - are all in this to make money. Being labeled is a non-profit really. They ARE allowed to make a profit and don't think their accountants aren't getting penny out of that while not paying property taxes on massive campuses.
Even the "non profits" can just funnel their money to a for profit institution under their control like what grand canyon University does.
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People have bought so deeply into the myth of there being a huge gulf between for-profit and non-profit schools, that they seem to believe that at for-profit's you get fake education, fake textbooks, fake lesson plans, and get automatic passing grades by doing very little work. But if it is so easy that everyone passes, then why are the dropout rates so high? A lot of people go to these schools thinking it's going to be a breeze, then they find out the work is real, there is a lot of it, they have to do it and do it successfully, and they run for the hills. They never belonged in college, and because most for-profit schools admit with open enrollment that result is natural.
Sure, people (and the media) point to the notoriously bad for-profit schools that charge crazy tuition rates and have poor outcomes, but it's irresponsible to do that and act as if that's the definitive picture of the thousands of for-profit schools that operate, a number of them having low tuition rates and good outcomes. Why do those for-profit schools get ignored? Why do non-profit schools that charge crazy high tuition rates and have poor outcomes get almost zero scrutiny? Hmmmmmmmm.
Coursehero and sites like it reveal to us just how similar textbooks, lesson plans, and assignments are amongst ALL schools be them non-profit or for-profit. Then you take a look at the faculty lists and the differences aren't that great either, in fact the credentials of the instructors tend to be very comparable between for-profit and non-profit schools. It's not until you get into the upper-levels of RA non-profit schools that you see an obviously higher level of professors, but it's also no coincidence that those schools tend to bring in the most money. Thing is, the majority of the for-profit witch hunters didn't go to those upper-level RA non-profit schools. They mostly went to schools that are in reality no different in stature or prestige from the for-profit schools they criticize, no-name schools that no one outside their local community has ever heard of or cares about. Heck, often times the for-profit is better-known because they advertise nationally (although that usually doesn't help their reputation, but still).
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(05-17-2020, 10:16 PM)PrettyFlyforaChiGuy Wrote: Students who are considering a for-profit option should pay attention to student outcomes to help decide if their own needs are likely to be met.
Yes! Folks should do research, and look for student outcomes when it comes to any school. I really think it's that simple. I'm glad there are "for-profit" institutions because it means people have more choices.
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