03-24-2015, 01:32 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2015, 01:37 PM by sanantone.)
KittenMittens Wrote:There's a reason why less people report information about TECEPs here because less people are taking them. UExcels are more popular partly because there are far more students attending Excelsior - and instantcert.com picked up on that. I trust instantcert.com in what they prepare for flash cards than what one student may have done. I think instantcert.com probably goes through several trials and rounds of revising their notes before finalizing it. That's because they have a vested interest in producing quality products with solid student feedback/data otherwise people would look for better resources. Instantcert.com has been very good on providing accurate review information for exams and in particular for any/all the exams I've mentioned beforehand.
I briefly looked at some TECEPS (The ones that were covered by instantcert) but feedback was scarce and the few that were there said those exams were very hard (some/all of them are writing not multiple choice). Instantcert.com doesn't even advertise TECEPs, they only advertise CLEPS, DSSTs, and UExcels. I think most students are more comfortable doing a multiple choice exam where you don't need to fully know something and can guess correctly/be familiar with something. Again, I don't care about mastering the subject, I care about getting quickly getting credit at least attempting to get a good/decent GPA.
Most TECEPs are all or mostly multiple choice. Did you even bother to read the test descriptions? Instantcert does advertise TECEPs. When was the last time you visited the website? TECEPs are on the front page. InstantCert - Study Guides For CLEP, DANTES, ECE, And GED Exams
The reason why TECEPs weren't as popular is because they used to be much more expensive and required an on-ground proctor. Now, TECEPs are cheaper than Uexcels and can be completed in your home. This is a recent change. TECEPs also don't depend on ACE or NCCRS recommendations because they are treated as in-house credits. You're earning credits directly from a regionally accredited school. This makes TECEPs more transferable because you're not transferring TECEPs; you're transferring TESC credits. They are, essentially, challenge exams.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS CLEP Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68 DSST Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458 ALEKS Int Alg, Coll Alg TEEX 4 credits TECEP Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations CSU Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber SL Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I Uexcel A&P Davar Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
03-24-2015, 01:36 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2015, 01:40 PM by KittenMittens.)
sanantone Wrote:Most TECEPs are all or mostly multiple choice. Did you even bother to read the test descriptions? Instantcert does advertise TECEPs. When was the last time you visited the website? TECEPs are on the front page. InstantCert - Study Guides For CLEP, DANTES, ECE, And GED Exams
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Nowhere on the front page do they advertise TECEPs. They advertise CLEP, DANTES, and ECEs as it even states in your own posted link. That's because CLEPs, DSSTs, and ECE (UExcel) exams are the most popular.
Edit: Ah I see it's inconspicuous all the way on the right as a little drop-down menu, but it's not even on that dropdown menu of "college exam products" but now this getting too OCD. Point is, they offer the least TECEP products, and the products they do have, have little student feedback, and generally worries that the exams are much harder to prepare for.
Nowhere on the front page do they advertise TECEPs. They advertise CLEP, DANTES, and ECEs as it even states in your own posted link. That's because CLEPs, DSSTs, and ECE (UExcel) exams are the most popular.
TECEP is right there on the right side cut off by your picture. How can you not see it? It's the "T" in the dropdown menu. Even Uexcels are cut off in your picture.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS CLEP Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68 DSST Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458 ALEKS Int Alg, Coll Alg TEEX 4 credits TECEP Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations CSU Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber SL Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I Uexcel A&P Davar Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
Nowhere on the front page do they advertise TECEPs. They advertise CLEP, DANTES, and ECEs as it even states in your own posted link. That's because CLEPs, DSSTs, and ECE (UExcel) exams are the most popular.
Edit: Ah I see it's inconspicuous all the way on the right as a little drop-down menu, but it's not even on that dropdown menu of "college exam products" but now this getting too OCD. Point is, they offer the least TECEP products, and the products they do have, have little student feedback, and generally worries that the exams are much harder to prepare for.
It's not inconspicuous. It clearly says TECEP on a computer with a wide enough screen. Even in your picture, ECE is shrunken. You don't even need to click on "College Exam Products." I see ECE and TECEP fully spelled out on the front page on my computer. I don't know what you're using to view the website or if you changed your screen resolution or browser zoom on purpose.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS CLEP Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68 DSST Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458 ALEKS Int Alg, Coll Alg TEEX 4 credits TECEP Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations CSU Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber SL Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I Uexcel A&P Davar Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
03-24-2015, 01:45 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2015, 01:49 PM by KittenMittens.)
sanantone Wrote:TECEP is right there on the right side cut off by your picture. How can you not see it? It's the "T" in the dropdown menu. Even Uexcels are cut off in your picture. I don't know what you're using to view the website or if you changed your screen resolution or browser zoom on purpose.
Another accusation of dishonesty. Come on now... I have a 13" Retina Macbook Pro - it shows what it shows... On my screen, it's all the way to the right in a little dropdown menu. At least Excelsior exams are in the "college exam products" list. But now we're that's just being tedious. Point is most popular exams are: 1) CLEP 2) DSST 3) UExcel 4) TECEP in that order. Like I've said, I have no problem with TECEPs, but there's little information about them (and probably will be for the foreseeable future from my guesses).
I don't like the fact that you have to be pidgeonholed into taking 8 TECEP exams which makes and feels a lot more complicated, involved, and painful than having the flexibility of being able to take any exam. I know why TESC does it because they have to have a business model where they make some money. If for some reason TESC let people do the "per credit" plan without the 24 credit residency program, then I would agree with you 100% in a heartbeat. I think the idea is nice, but I don't like being forced into taking 24 credits through them particularly since there is a dearth of efficient and easy study materials/prep for it.
And that's all I have to say about all that - and I hope this discussion helps anyone who had similar questions like myself. I seriously considered TESC (and would still have preferred to do it for them), if it weren't for that pesky 24 credit requirement, and the "enrolled option" program is a decent option but generally more expensive than COSC's - even if it wasn't, the lack of organization/having to go through the maze of advisors at TESC to get any correct info is enough to dissuade me from going there. If they can release a full, clear, and accessible table like how COSC, TESC would go up even more in my book!
You are entitled to your opinion. TECEPs may look too daunting to you even though you've never attempted one, but that doesn't mean others are the same.
This is how the IC website looks on a normal computer.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS CLEP Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68 DSST Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458 ALEKS Int Alg, Coll Alg TEEX 4 credits TECEP Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations CSU Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber SL Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I Uexcel A&P Davar Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
03-24-2015, 02:12 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2015, 02:20 PM by KittenMittens.)
I scoured/poured through a lot of threads as I was interested/fascinated by the idea of testing out of a degree - something I didn't know was possible. I was originally going to go through SUNY Empire and stumbled upon the bain4weeks.com and 123collegedegree.com websites and then stumbled across the forum. Probably on and off over 5 - 6 months, with a bulk of my research back over winter 2014.
Though I already have a college degree from India, my employer wanted me to have a regionally accredited degree. And regarding what a previous (racist/sexist) commenter barked about: If Indians are of such low caliber/trash, then why does America attract so much talent from these 3rd world countries? The problem of Indian doctors and engineers in Australia being taxi drivers is not one because they're uneducated or dumb, but because the system there is setup to prevent them from getting a job (Australia is known for being very racist); this isn't a problem in countries like Canada or the US. Contrary to what one very myopic and racist member believes about Indians, we have some very fine institutions where top colleges in America have acknowledged the rigors of. Some of our schools like Indian Institute of Technology are highly regarded by elite schools like MIT or Berkeley, and some could argue that the caliber of students from IIT are even greater. In fact, you'll find in any difficult technical graduate program, that it's filled with Indians, and Chinese! We also have a vibrant medical tourism business where Westerners come to India for cheaper and professional surgeries, and "our kind" satisfy a great shortage in technical fields like CS, engineering, health fields, etc. This is despite coming from poor countries with less opportunities, technology, and resources that America provides.
"Am I eligible to apply to the MBA program if I received a bachelor's degree from India?
Applicants with a four-year bachelors degree from an Indian school are eligible for consideration. Applicants with a three-year Indian bachelor's degree who also hold a master's or other advanced degree are eligible for consideration. Applicants with a three-year Indian bachelors degree and no additional degree may apply, but are at a significant competitive disadvantage when compared to applicants with similar backgrounds and eligible education.
Recognized 4-year basic or first degrees from India include: B. Tech., B. Eng., B. Eng. (Hons), B. Sc. in Engineering, B. Pharmacy, and BSc. in Agriculture and Forestry.
Other recognized basic or first degrees from India include: B.D.S. (4-5 years); B. Arch. (5 years); B. VSc. (5 years); LL.B. (5 years integrated course or 2-3 years following a bachelor’s degree); B. Tech. and the M. Tech. (5 year dual degree program awarded by the Indian Institute of Technology); Bachelor’s of Medicine Bachelor’s of Surgery (M.B.B.S); and Postgraduate Diploma (PGDM) awarded by the International Management Institute of New Delhi (2 years Full-Time or 3 years part-time).
Recognized second degrees from India: A Postgraduate Diploma (PGDM) awarded by the Indian Institutes of Management at Ahmedabad (IIM), Bangalore, Calcutta, Indore (IIMI), or Lucknow (2 years beyond bachelor's degree) is a recognized second degree. A PGDM in Industrial Engineering awarded by the National Productivity Council (2 years beyond bachelor's degree with first class) is also recognized as a second degree."
How many foreign schools that are not not regionally accredited by the US will let you go onto graduate school? I imagine not many!
03-24-2015, 02:28 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2015, 02:43 PM by KittenMittens.)
Here are but a few comments from students on this discussion board who agree that TECEPs are generally harder than any other exam. They also tend to have a combination essays, short answers, and multiple combination which means you have to know your stuff even better. Furthermore, success on TECEPS also means you need to read a textbook and a very specific one at that!
Pattie writes: “I would concur with Wendy. TECEPs are, in my opinion, the most difficult tests out there. And, keep in mind, that they take all forms...some are all MC, some are all essay, some are short answer and essay, and yet others are a combination of MC, short answer and essay.”
Malle writes: “I have taken both and Tecep's are harder because they are based on a specific edition of a book. Ex" thanology Death and Dying- I used 9th edition for TECEP in Feb. Only to find out that test was based on 8th edition. Which reflected 911 and prior to 2001 not the 9th edition which is 2002 to 2006 or 7. Those iffy questions made the difference. Where as a Clep is more based on solid information not changing beliefs due to updated editions. I hope I'm clarifying the difference for you TECEP's are harder you must memorize the exact wording in the text to pass the test, becuase all answers may be very close depending on what text used for studying. I also took Abnormal Psy TECEP and used the recommened text and several others. That test proved to be more based on solid information. Alcohol Fundamental Facts TECEP is strictly based on a text and do make absolutely sure you have the right text. (which was out of print when I took the test) They explained to me that TECEP Alcohol fundamental Facts really should change it's title to Alcohol in society. When taking a test with the assumption that Fundamental Facts simply do not change and the test is not based on current stats found by from some book and no one was sure what editon. Take a Clep or if a TECEP ask about each test. Someone here can help.”
cookderosa writes: “From your list, I've taken TECEP, DSST, CLEP, and SL (but SL isn't an exam, it's a class so I won't rank it) but I'll add in FEMA which you didn't list.
Also, for what it's worth, your 1994 CLEP is still good until 2014, so if you passed, you DO HAVE CREDIT. They hold it for 20 years.
Easiest: FEMA
Middle: CLEP/DSST tied for difficulty, more depends on the subject imo Hard: TECEP (I rank this as hard because it involved a text-specific study plan as opposed to general study info)”
Publius states: “My thoughts exactly. Throw ECE's in there with TECEPs as harder as well.”
Overall, even many students on the forum seem to think that TECEPs are the hardest. Sanantone's "per credit" plan is alright if you don't mind perusing and reading through dense textbooks for 7-8 exams (and/or using Saylor courses), but there are more efficient, and quicker ways to get credit through brief notes, practice exams, and student feedback (forum advice). That's why instantcert, the instantcert forums, practice tests, and so forth exist in the first place, and most importantly they work. I believe I have expounded on this issue ad nauseum now, and it's up to each student to come to their own conclusions. If a student subscribes to my line of thinking, and if they do they may find that it'll be a few hundred dollars cheaper through COSC than through TESC; if they don't, then more power to them!
We're all here trying to further ourselves academically, and professionally, and it's always great to be exposed to different ideas towards meeting one's own goals. I think that if anyone were to go to any of these schools and complete a degree, that it will certainly open new doors and opportunities.
KittenMittens Wrote:Publius states: “My thoughts exactly. Throw ECE's in there with TECEPs as harder as well.”
That supports what I said on the first page of this thread.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS CLEP Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68 DSST Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458 ALEKS Int Alg, Coll Alg TEEX 4 credits TECEP Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations CSU Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber SL Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I Uexcel A&P Davar Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
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