11-22-2011, 08:21 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-22-2011, 08:42 AM by martialartist.)
We certainly can have an intelligent conversation, but that requires objectivity and for the record I was born in the 1 percent, so I don't have to guess how taxes impact people, the facts are this, everytime we have a recession the Republicans turn to tax breaks/cuts, so I am simply attempting to highlight the structural defiencies that both parties are avoiding to address with just tax breaks. And as far as the CBO goes, I'm sure these are the same guys that rated the so called "OBAMACARE" and stated that it would save a trillion doallrs over 10 years, the same group that said that the stimulus created or saved between a million and I think 2.5 miliion jobs, so I'm always amuse when I hear people using the CBO figures to help their arguements.
You also mentioned tax breaks that pulled in record revenues, my friend that is a very clever arguement to make, however, the tax revenues we pulled in wasn't real income, it was income generated from the credit bubble that burst and thus the reason we are in the current situation we are in. These companies were selling credit, most of the income created under Bush was not based on real dollars and thats a fact. We can certainly have a intellectual discussion, but if you believe the CBO, then you must also believe them about "OBAMACARE".
Everything should be on the table, it's impossible to address our current crisis without looking all options. Whether it's taxes, Social Security, Medicare/medicaid..etc. The wars, the Bush drug prescription plan that was unfunded, I mean seriously, lets start being honest and stop thinking that the parties are doing the right thing. Republicans/democrats alike have messed things up. Whether it's Reagan adding to the national debt Obama or Bush, we just need to be honest in our discussions otherwise it will be just a futile effort. If you look at the history of this nation and the successes that she has had, each time a grand compromise occured, from the constitution hall where blacks were counted as 3/5th of a person, the point I'm making is that sometimes in order to get a solution our own personal ideology must take a back seat. This is what makes America unique (I'm a Brit with US citizenship).
You also mentioned tax breaks that pulled in record revenues, my friend that is a very clever arguement to make, however, the tax revenues we pulled in wasn't real income, it was income generated from the credit bubble that burst and thus the reason we are in the current situation we are in. These companies were selling credit, most of the income created under Bush was not based on real dollars and thats a fact. We can certainly have a intellectual discussion, but if you believe the CBO, then you must also believe them about "OBAMACARE".
Everything should be on the table, it's impossible to address our current crisis without looking all options. Whether it's taxes, Social Security, Medicare/medicaid..etc. The wars, the Bush drug prescription plan that was unfunded, I mean seriously, lets start being honest and stop thinking that the parties are doing the right thing. Republicans/democrats alike have messed things up. Whether it's Reagan adding to the national debt Obama or Bush, we just need to be honest in our discussions otherwise it will be just a futile effort. If you look at the history of this nation and the successes that she has had, each time a grand compromise occured, from the constitution hall where blacks were counted as 3/5th of a person, the point I'm making is that sometimes in order to get a solution our own personal ideology must take a back seat. This is what makes America unique (I'm a Brit with US citizenship).
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