Universal Basic Income

[sanantone]

It's natural for people to try to take away from others when everyone around them is on section 8 and on food stamps. It's natural for people to rise and often turn to stealing and exploiting those around them even selling drugs because the cash income keeps them on the government programs. Sitting around doing nothing all day isn't good. It leads to mischief.

You're completely missing the point. You think that the crime problem comes from people choosing not to work because they're on welfare. Most of the people committing serious crimes are adult men who do not qualify for welfare. I taught penology and corrections on top of taking advanced CJ courses and working in correctional settings, so I'm not making stuff up just to appease my own political ideology. I know some of you think with emotion and what you think is common sense. I heard the whole life stories of hundreds of inmates.

[videogamesrock]

Do you think if people are busy working 8-10 hours a day they won't be busy stealing from each other?

[sanantone]

Do you think if people are busy working 8-10 hours a day they won't be busy stealing from each other?

When you make a lot of easy money from committing crimes, you don't need welfare or a job. That's the whole point. Yes, many people with jobs do commit crimes. There are 24 hours in a day, and people get days off. Heck, some people even commit crimes while at work.

[videogamesrock]

Yeah you're right, sending people to work is a waste, they'll just commit crimes there. Sending them to prison is useless too because prisons don't rehabilitate anyone they set them up to be a returning customers. The only solution is to take money away from others and share it with jail birds.

[sanantone]

Yeah you're right, sending people to work is a waste, they'll just commit crimes there. Sending them to prison is useless too because prisons don't rehabilitate anyone they set them up to be a returning customers. The only solution is to take money away from others and share it with jail birds.

You can't force people to work. Taking away welfare does not force everyone to work. In reality, it could turn more people to crime if they can't find jobs that pay a living wage. And, welfare is not mostly going to convicted criminals. This is getting preposterous.

[videogamesrock]

Free room and board tax payer paid meals. Sounds like welfare to me.

[dfrecore]

Free room and board tax payer paid meals. Sounds like welfare to me.

Sounds awesome. Get yourself arrested and let us know how the "welfare" plan is. We'll wait to hear back from you.

[icampy]

I saw multiple inmates show back up in the yard after a month or 3 of being a free man. It's not that far fetched to say free room and board. If it were so awful, they would stay out. Heard lots of life stories and sob stories from our orderlies and other inmates....the'yre lying most of the time, check their file.

I spent 70 to 80 hours a week with those idiots, and I have less empathy now for inmates than I had before I started. Screw em, they have more rights than COs in our system.

[videogamesrock]

I saw multiple inmates show back up in the yard after a month or 3 of being a free man. It's not that far fetched to say free room and board. If it were so awful, they would stay out. Heard lots of life stories and sob stories from our orderlies and other inmates....the'yre lying most of the time, check their file.

I spent 70 to 80 hours a week with those idiots, and I have less empathy now for inmates than I had before I started. Screw em, they have more rights than COs in our system.

It's all they know, they've become dependent on human handouts and the need to have every aspect of their life run by other people.

[Thorne]

Sounds awesome. Get yourself arrested and let us know how the "welfare" plan is. We'll wait to hear back from you.

I've met guys with records who actually go out of their way to get back in prison because it's free food and shelter.

I actually went out of my way to help one of these fellows more recently (in Dallas) just to find out he didn't care.

I got him a job working in retail at $9/hour. Crappy job, but I called in a favor with a manager friend who ignored the felony. Then, I gave him access to an insulated shed with electricity, a window AC + heat unit, and a clean bed, plus external access to a full bathroom with a small closet housing his wardrobe (half of which we bought for him) at all hours. All that plus meals, the only stipulation was that he was required to work his job 20-30 hours a week.

He had no bills, no overhead, no need to turn to crime. He wasn't going to move forward quickly, but he had a comfortable life with $8500 in surplus (working 20 hours a week for a year). Took him a month to get arrested for the same thing he did the first time. His excuse, when I went to consider bailing him out, was, "I don't like working all these hours, it's hard."

Obviously, one bad egg does not define the bunch, but I've had ex-cons who I am actively helping do monumentally stupid things just to go back to prison.