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09-30-2022, 02:12 PM
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(09-30-2022, 08:54 AM)sarahmac Wrote: But aside from the main colleges, the others don't. For those doing online (or in person) study with the University of London, the diploma also names the member institution of the University of London which provided the academic direction. Someone who attended Queen Mary would receive the same diploma as someone who attended a UoL program online with academic direction from Queen Mary, just as an example.
I'm not sure where you get that information. QMUL says in its own website that it has been awarding its own degree since 2014.
Here's what the current Queen Mary diploma looks like:
https://imgur.com/a/mv2FMES
I have no argument with you because I agree that the University of London USED TO exist like you mentioned. Today, the old version of the University really doesn't exist except as a club sharing certain facilities in the London area.
Also, UCL was granted degree awarding powers 17 years ago. I apologize for rounding this off to 20 years - my bad.
According to wikipedia (sorry for the lazy reference), 10 out of 17 members of the university exercise their right to grant their own degrees.
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Member institutions of the University of London
For most practical purposes, ranging from admission of students to negotiating funding from the government, the 17 member institutions are treated as individual universities. Legally speaking they are known as Recognised Bodies, with the authority to examine students and award them degrees of the university. Some member institutions also have the power to award their own degrees instead of those of the university; those which exercise that power include:
City, University of London
Goldsmiths, University of London
King's College London
London Business School
London School of Economics and Political Science
Queen Mary University of London
Royal Holloway, University of London
SOAS, University of London
St George's, University of London
University College London
This is what a current Goldsmiths degree looks like:
https://imgur.com/a/zsXmYYD
https://imgur.com/a/dSfBbzS
Goldsmiths currently awards its own degrees and it no longer awards University of London degrees.
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The UoL campus universities have a mix of UK rankings. There are way worse London universities you can go to though.
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While I think nomaduser is given to a bit of hyperbole regarding the UofL CS degree, there are quite a lot of negative reviews of the program on Reddit, Quora, Facebook, and elsewhere. Many people do seem displeased with the quality of instruction, the learning technology, responsiveness of faculty, etc.
Of course, the people who graduate and get a high 5 figure or six figure salary are a lot less likely to spend their time posting about how bad the program is than, say, the people who fail because they can’t do the work, don’t have the dedication, etc. and want to blame someone other than themselves for their failure.
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I started this thread with the simple intention of highlighting some new programs on Coursera. They just happened to be run out of the University of London. Overall I think it's a good school. Some of the constituent colleges have better reputations than others but they are all legitimate, "accredited " schools in England. I have no particular fondness for this university and really don't want to be put in a position of defending it. But I also don't want to propagate misinformation. If someone doesn't like a school, for any reason, then it's ok to say so. But if you don't like a school that doesn't mean it's a bad school. And if someone chooses to go to a school that you don't like, that doesn't make them "rejects." And if you don't think that a particular school is worth the price tag then that is a personal value, not a fact. It may be the perfect school for some people and the proof of this is that every single college has grads who are pleased with their total experience. The whole idea of distance learning, online courses and degrees, equivalency testing, etc. is to give people choices. The University of London wouldn't be my personal choice but it's clearly the choice of a lot of people. That's ok with me. I'm guessing they will generally do well with their degrees, more or less like any other college grads. It would probably look a lot like a bell curve. Best of luck to them.
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09-30-2022, 06:37 PM
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(09-30-2022, 02:12 PM)smartdegree Wrote: (09-30-2022, 08:54 AM)sarahmac Wrote: But aside from the main colleges, the others don't. For those doing online (or in person) study with the University of London, the diploma also names the member institution of the University of London which provided the academic direction. Someone who attended Queen Mary would receive the same diploma as someone who attended a UoL program online with academic direction from Queen Mary, just as an example.
I'm not sure where you get that information. QMUL says in its own website that it has been awarding its own degree since 2014.
Here's what the current Queen Mary diploma looks like:
https://imgur.com/a/mv2FMES
I have no argument with you because I agree that the University of London USED TO exist like you mentioned. Today, the old version of the University really doesn't exist except as a club sharing certain facilities in the London area.
Also, UCL was granted degree awarding powers 17 years ago. I apologize for rounding this off to 20 years - my bad.
According to wikipedia (sorry for the lazy reference), 10 out of 17 members of the university exercise their right to grant their own degrees.
(WIKIPEDIA)
Member institutions of the University of London
For most practical purposes, ranging from admission of students to negotiating funding from the government, the 17 member institutions are treated as individual universities. Legally speaking they are known as Recognised Bodies, with the authority to examine students and award them degrees of the university. Some member institutions also have the power to award their own degrees instead of those of the university; those which exercise that power include:
City, University of London
Goldsmiths, University of London
King's College London
London Business School
London School of Economics and Political Science
Queen Mary University of London
Royal Holloway, University of London
SOAS, University of London
St George's, University of London
University College London
This is what a current Goldsmiths degree looks like:
https://imgur.com/a/zsXmYYD
https://imgur.com/a/dSfBbzS
Goldsmiths currently awards its own degrees and it no longer awards University of London degrees.
That part of the Wikipedia entry says "citation needed."
University of London Diplomas
Degree certificates are issued by the University of London.
In lieu of the official University of London diplomas, your School Hub will be sending you a digital confirmation of the award letter.
Goldsmiths Certificates
Certificates for interim awards (e.g. Certificate/Diploma in Higher Education or Postgraduate Certificate/Diploma), Foundation and Nordoff Robbin's certificates are produced by Goldsmiths and will be sent to you approximately two months after your results have been published.
https://www.gold.ac.uk/students/assessme...tificates/
Goldsmiths is only issuing certificates for intermediary awards and the Lasalle degree, which is the program in the images you attached.
Certificates are issued by the University of London, not Goldsmiths.
If you require a replacement certificate, please contact the University of London Diploma Production Department with details of your request via diploma.enquiries (@london.ac.uk) or +44 (0)20 7862 8303.
Please ensure you provide your full name, date of birth, the full title of the programme, the institution of study (as part of the University of London) and awarding year, indicating if the certificate was lost or destroyed.
If you require a replacement diploma issued by Goldsmiths (eg. LASALLE degree, postgraduate diploma/certificate, foundation certificate) please see the information provided under 'replacement transcripts and confirmation of award' above.
https://www.gold.ac.uk/alumni/certificat...s-letters/
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(09-30-2022, 06:09 PM)Alpha Wrote: I started this thread with the simple intention of highlighting some new programs on Coursera. They just happened to be run out of the University of London. Overall I think it's a good school. Some of the constituent colleges have better reputations than others but they are all legitimate, "accredited " schools in England. I have no particular fondness for this university and really don't want to be put in a position of defending it. But I also don't want to propagate misinformation. If someone doesn't like a school, for any reason, then it's ok to say so. But if you don't like a school that doesn't mean it's a bad school. And if someone chooses to go to a school that you don't like, that doesn't make them "rejects." And if you don't think that a particular school is worth the price tag then that is a personal value, not a fact. It may be the perfect school for some people and the proof of this is that every single college has grads who are pleased with their total experience. The whole idea of distance learning, online courses and degrees, equivalency testing, etc. is to give people choices. The University of London wouldn't be my personal choice but it's clearly the choice of a lot of people. That's ok with me. I'm guessing they will generally do well with their degrees, more or less like any other college grads. It would probably look a lot like a bell curve. Best of luck to them.
I agree, University of London is a respectable school. When they operated as University of London External (their former name), they were very successful at what they did, particularly during a time when internet was not yet as fully developed. University of London distance degrees are a common sight in Singapore, where many local "partners" provide in-class tuition to those studying for a distance degree. Is it as prestigious as earning a degree at UCL, LSE, etc? No, but it doesn't have a bad reputation either. It does the job, similar to that other UK distance learning institution, the Open U. I would say they have the same type of reputation as Athabasca here in Canada - not prestigious, but everyone here knows you get a respectable education.
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09-30-2022, 06:43 PM
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09-30-2022, 06:44 PM
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To clear up the misinformation in this thread: Goldsmiths is NOT awarding certificates for their degrees except for the Lasalle degree in Singapore. Goldsmiths is awarding certificates for their postgraduate diploma and certificate programs and other non-degree programs. There is no source in the Wikipedia article that proves that Goldsmiths is awarding their own diplomas for their degrees; their website, which is the best source, says that they are not awarding diplomas for their degrees.
(09-30-2022, 06:43 PM)nomaduser Wrote: The Open University is ranked:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-gl...ity-506455
https://www.shanghairanking.com/institut...university
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/wor...university
https://www.topuniversities.com/universi...university
https://cwur.org/2021-22/Open-University,-UK.php
But 'University of London External' isn't ranked.
The Open University is accredited in USA too:
https://www.msche.org/institution/9158/
University of London External aka University of London International Academy aka University of London Worldwide is not a college or university; it is an administrative division of University of London that handles distance learning and external programs. Similar examples in the U.S. would be Penn State University World Campus and Missouri Online.
https://www.worldcampus.psu.edu/about-us...-look-like
https://online.missouri.edu/about
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09-30-2022, 07:07 PM
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(09-30-2022, 06:44 PM)sanantone Wrote: To clear up the misinformation in this thread: Goldsmiths is NOT awarding certificates for their degrees except for the Lasalle degree in Singapore. Goldsmiths is awarding certificates for their postgraduate diploma and certificate programs and other non-degree programs. There is no source in the Wikipedia article that proves that Goldsmiths is awarding their own diplomas for their degrees; their website, which is the best source, says that they are not awarding diplomas for their degrees.
(09-30-2022, 06:43 PM)nomaduser Wrote: The Open University is ranked:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-gl...ity-506455
https://www.shanghairanking.com/institut...university
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/wor...university
https://www.topuniversities.com/universi...university
https://cwur.org/2021-22/Open-University,-UK.php
But 'University of London External' isn't ranked.
The Open University is accredited in USA too:
https://www.msche.org/institution/9158/
University of London External aka University of London International Academy aka University of London Worldwide is not a college or university; it is an administrative division of University of London that handles distance learning and external programs. Similar examples in the U.S. would be Penn State University World Campus and Missouri Online.
https://www.worldcampus.psu.edu/about-us...-look-like
https://online.missouri.edu/about
You're absolutely right. I didn't reply to the comment above because I am not going to argue with idiots who cannot read. Goldsmiths' own website states that while they do have degree-granting authority, they choose not to do so and all diplomas are issued by the University of London. They will issue their own certs but not degrees. But, hey, what would they know right?
Honestly, these people are a little sad. I feel sorry for them. It must be difficult going through life while both loud and wrong.
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University of Lima has an arrangement with U. of London for some degrees.
You study during 3 summers the additional needed classes in English (in class sessions in Lima) and you get your U. of Lima + U. of London degrees at the same time when you finish all the courses.
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