TESU: Math BA, Business Administration AS

[ed209uardo]

Good day, all.

I mostly lurked on the board a few years back when I was looking to go back to school. I had originally leaned towards a Discrete Mathematics degree, but I ended up liking the CS classes more, so I switched majors, graduating a couple of years ago from a local brick & mortar school.

I currently work in IT, but there's not much in the way of upward mobility on this team. Hopefully doing certifications and more education may open doors elsewhere down the line.

I fell down a rabbit hole this past weekend, deciding that I did not want to put the time and energy into an MBA, but instead eyeing a Masters in Information Security Management in a few years. While deciding this, I briefly looked at the idea of an Associates in Business, since having that on my resume should be enough to look at leadership roles.

That brief research let me to TESU, where I can add on an Associates on the way to a Bachelors, and it appears (I may be completely wrong here) the easiest Bachelors for me to get would be Mathematics, as I have just over 30 credits already in math.

So, my questions would be:

• Am I on the right track with my thinking of the ease of the Bachelors degree, in terms of the classes I am transferring in?
  
• Would the math classes that don't match their catalog suffice for the Math Electives, or do they need to be those exact classes listed on their site?
  
• For the 24 additional credits in the AOS, can I fill that in with lower level math classes from CLEP and Sophia.org? (the capstone counts towards those 24 credits, correct?)
  
• Do I need to worry about fulfilling the General Education requirements?
  
• For the Associates, do I need to take the cornerstone?
  

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Your Location: Georgia, United States
Your Age: 50's
What kind of degree do you want?: leaning towards Bachelors in Mathematics, & Associates (or minor) in business
Current Regional Accredited Credits: 129.33 (pulled from GT transcript; excludes failed classes)

MDCC Credits (20th century): 6 semester hours (originally 9 quarter hours)

• math 3110: Intro To Higher Algebra - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 3XXX: Math Elective-3000 Level - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 4107: Intro to Abstract Algebra I - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  

GT Credits (20th century; includes AP credits): 35.33 semester hours (originally 53 quarter hours)

• chem 1101: General Chemistry I - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• chem 1102: General Chemistry II - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• engl 1002: Analysis Of Literature & Language II - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• hist 1001: U.S. History To 1865 - 2 AP (3 qtr hours)
  
• hps 1040: Health Education - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 1507: Calculus I - 3.33 AP (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 1508: Calculus II - 3.33 AP (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 1509: Calculus III - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 2507: Calculus IV - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 2508: Calculus V (mostly Linear Algebra) - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 3012: Applied Combinatorics - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• phys 2121: Particle Dynamics - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• pol 1251: Government Of The U.S. - 2 AP (3 qtr hours)
  

GT Credits (21st century): 88 semester hours

• coa 2242: History of Art II - 3
  
• cs 1100: Freshman Leap Seminar - 1
  
• cs 1301: Intro to Computing - 3
  
• cs 1331: Intro to Object Oriented Programming - 3
  
• cs 1332: Data Structures & Algorithms - 3
  
• cs 2050: Intro to Discrete Math for CS - 3
  
• cs 2110: Computer Organization & Programming - 4
  
• cs 2200: Systems and Networks - 4
  
• cs 2340: Objects and Design - 3
  
• cs 3311: Project Design - 1
  
• cs 3312: Project Implementation - 2
  
• cs 3451: Computer Graphics - 3
  
• cs 3510: Design & Analysis of Algorithms - 3
  
• cs 3600: Intro to Artificial Intelligence - 3
  
• cs 4235: Intro to Information Security - 3
  
• cs 4400: Intro to Database Systems - 3
  
• cs 4455: Video Game Design - 3
  
• cs 4590: Computer Audio - 3
  
• cs 4675: Internet Systems & Services - 3
  
• cs 4863: Special Topics - Computing, Society, & Professionalism - 3
  
• cx 4010: Computational Problem Solving - 3
  
• econ 2106: Principles of Microeconomics - 3
  
• engl 1101: English Composition I - 3
  
• gt 2100: Success Seminar - 1
  
• hist 2112: United States since 1877 - 3
  
• lmc 3214: Science Fiction - 3
  
• lmc 3431: Technical Communication Approaches - 1
  
• lmc 3432: Technical Communication Strategies - 2
  
• math 2106: Foundations of Mathematical Proof - 3
  
• math 2802: Special Topics - Applications of Linear Algebra - 2
  
• math 3215: Probability & Statistics - 3 (single D grade)
  
• phys 2212: Intro to Physics II - 4
  

Current ACE, CLEP, or NCCRS Credits: N/A

Any certifications or military experience? N/A
Budget: maybe $5K; the cheaper, the better
Commitments: working full-time, full social life
Dedicated time to study: conservatively, 10-15 hours a week
Timeline: within the next 2 years; the sooner, the better
Tuition assistance/reimbursement: N/A

[Insert Name]

As far as I understand, as long as there are enough new credits you can reuse whichever old ones as you want for the second degree, and capstones as well as other courses you take through them count towards the new credits. As far as other which classes will fit where will be up to their assessment of the courses. AOS electives are usually pretty generous if the course is in the AOS, but you may luck out and get something evaluated that is an AOS requirements equivalent. Typically, the courses they list through the school are courses they have that fill the requirement, but equivalents from somewhere else will work too.

Ultimate question is why? The most common reason I have heard of for people wanting a second degree is if they need a specific degree to change fields or something. Outside of that, is it really beneficial to pay for a second bachelors when you have one? Most of the advice I hear is to either get a higher degree or get the lowest/cheapest/easiest in the field you are trying to switch to.

As always, there is probably someone on here who knows better than I do. Just throwing out some food for thought.

[ed209uardo]

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Ultimate question is why? The most common reason I have heard of for people wanting a second degree is if they need a specific degree to change fields or something. Outside of that, is it really beneficial to pay for a second bachelors when you have one? Most of the advice I hear is to either get a higher degree or get the lowest/cheapest/easiest in the field you are trying to switch to.

As always, there is probably someone on here who knows better than I do. Just throwing out some food for thought.

When I had switched majors, I had planned to minor in Math, but the pandemic happened, I got burned out on work and school, so I changed gears to complete my degree ASAP.

So, pretty much because I want to, not a real need to.

[fmsoa]

Good day, all.

I mostly lurked on the board a few years back when I was looking to go back to school. I had originally leaned towards a Discrete Mathematics degree, but I ended up liking the CS classes more, so I switched majors, graduating a couple of years ago from a local brick & mortar school.

I currently work in IT, but there's not much in the way of upward mobility on this team. Hopefully doing certifications and more education may open doors elsewhere down the line.

I fell down a rabbit hole this past weekend, deciding that I did not want to put the time and energy into an MBA, but instead eyeing a Masters in Information Security Management in a few years. While deciding this, I briefly looked at the idea of an Associates in Business, since having that on my resume should be enough to look at leadership roles.

That brief research let me to TESU, where I can add on an Associates on the way to a Bachelors, and it appears (I may be completely wrong here) the easiest Bachelors for me to get would be Mathematics, as I have just over 30 credits already in math.

So, my questions would be:

• Am I on the right track with my thinking of the ease of the Bachelors degree, in terms of the classes I am transferring in?
  
• Would the math classes that don't match their catalog suffice for the Math Electives, or do they need to be those exact classes listed on their site?
  
• For the 24 additional credits in the AOS, can I fill that in with lower level math classes from CLEP and Sophia.org? (the capstone counts towards those 24 credits, correct?)
  
• Do I need to worry about fulfilling the General Education requirements?
  
• For the Associates, do I need to take the cornerstone?
  

---

Your Location: Georgia, United States
Your Age: 50's
What kind of degree do you want?: leaning towards Bachelors in Mathematics, & Associates (or minor) in business
Current Regional Accredited Credits: 129.33 (pulled from GT transcript; excludes failed classes)

MDCC Credits (20th century): 6 semester hours (originally 9 quarter hours)

• math 3110: Intro To Higher Algebra - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 3XXX: Math Elective-3000 Level - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 4107: Intro to Abstract Algebra I - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  

GT Credits (20th century; includes AP credits): 35.33 semester hours (originally 53 quarter hours)

• chem 1101: General Chemistry I - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• chem 1102: General Chemistry II - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• engl 1002: Analysis Of Literature & Language II - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• hist 1001: U.S. History To 1865 - 2 AP (3 qtr hours)
  
• hps 1040: Health Education - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 1507: Calculus I - 3.33 AP (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 1508: Calculus II - 3.33 AP (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 1509: Calculus III - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 2507: Calculus IV - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• math 2508: Calculus V (mostly Linear Algebra) - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• math 3012: Applied Combinatorics - 2 (3 qtr hours)
  
• phys 2121: Particle Dynamics - 3.33 (5 qtr hours)
  
• pol 1251: Government Of The U.S. - 2 AP (3 qtr hours)
  

GT Credits (21st century): 88 semester hours

• coa 2242: History of Art II - 3
  
• cs 1100: Freshman Leap Seminar - 1
  
• cs 1301: Intro to Computing - 3
  
• cs 1331: Intro to Object Oriented Programming - 3
  
• cs 1332: Data Structures & Algorithms - 3
  
• cs 2050: Intro to Discrete Math for CS - 3
  
• cs 2110: Computer Organization & Programming - 4
  
• cs 2200: Systems and Networks - 4
  
• cs 2340: Objects and Design - 3
  
• cs 3311: Project Design - 1
  
• cs 3312: Project Implementation - 2
  
• cs 3451: Computer Graphics - 3
  
• cs 3510: Design & Analysis of Algorithms - 3
  
• cs 3600: Intro to Artificial Intelligence - 3
  
• cs 4235: Intro to Information Security - 3
  
• cs 4400: Intro to Database Systems - 3
  
• cs 4455: Video Game Design - 3
  
• cs 4590: Computer Audio - 3
  
• cs 4675: Internet Systems & Services - 3
  
• cs 4863: Special Topics - Computing, Society, & Professionalism - 3
  
• cx 4010: Computational Problem Solving - 3
  
• econ 2106: Principles of Microeconomics - 3
  
• engl 1101: English Composition I - 3
  
• gt 2100: Success Seminar - 1
  
• hist 2112: United States since 1877 - 3
  
• lmc 3214: Science Fiction - 3
  
• lmc 3431: Technical Communication Approaches - 1
  
• lmc 3432: Technical Communication Strategies - 2
  
• math 2106: Foundations of Mathematical Proof - 3
  
• math 2802: Special Topics - Applications of Linear Algebra - 2
  
• math 3215: Probability & Statistics - 3 (single D grade)
  
• phys 2212: Intro to Physics II - 4
  

Current ACE, CLEP, or NCCRS Credits: N/A

Any certifications or military experience? N/A
Budget: maybe $5K; the cheaper, the better
Commitments: working full-time, full social life
Dedicated time to study: conservatively, 10-15 hours a week
Timeline: within the next 2 years; the sooner, the better
Tuition assistance/reimbursement: N/A

Is the brick and mortar college you graduated from Georgia Tech? It looks like it because that's most of your credits were from.

If that's the case, why not just go for GT's OMS Cybersecurity? It's only $10K for a master's degree

[ed209uardo]

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Is the brick and mortar college you graduated from Georgia Tech? It looks like it because that's most of your credits were from.

If that's the case, why not just go for GT's OMS Cybersecurity? It's only $10K for a master's degree

That is the case, and their Cybersecurity degree is on my radar.

That would be an expense and time sink I am not quite ready for yet.

[wow]

Your plan seems right, and if you have the ~$5,000 to spend, it works.

Just to be another annoying person to present an unsolicited option, you could also consider putting the $5,000 toward a less expensive math masters for ~$10,000 to $12,000--that is, if it's something you'd enjoy. I don't remember the schools, but there is a thread about math masters in that price range on the graduate degree subforum.

[fmsoa]

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Is the brick and mortar college you graduated from Georgia Tech? It looks like it because that's most of your credits were from.

If that's the case, why not just go for GT's OMS Cybersecurity? It's only $10K for a master's degree

That is the case, and their Cybersecurity degree is on my radar.

That would be an expense and time sink I am not quite ready for yet.

The problem you have:
1. Linear Algebra only 2 cr, may need to take it again
2. Statistics with a D (not sure whether it's transferable)
3. Need 10 more hours of UPPER LEVEL Mathematics Electives
4. Need a total of 24 new cr after your first BSCS degree
5. Liberal Arts Capstone (~$1700) is mandatory
6. Residency Waiver of $3354 if <15 TESU resident hours

After all that, would an OMS Cybersecurity be that much more expensive or actually cheaper than a 2nd bachelor's?

[LevelUP]

When you already have a bachelor’s degree, the general education requirements are waived, including the cornerstone requirement.

The additional 24 credits can be in any subject and do include the capstone.

It shouldn’t take very much work to earn a bachelor’s degree in math. I would send your transcripts to TESU and have them evaluated.

[ed209uardo]

When you already have a bachelor’s degree, the general education requirements are waived, including the cornerstone requirement.

The additional 24 credits can be in any subject and do include the capstone.

It shouldn’t take very much work to earn a bachelor’s degree in math. I would send your transcripts to TESU and have them evaluated.

Are the GE requirements still waived if I also attempt an Associates along with the Bachelors?

[Jonathan Whatley]

The TESU Award of Degrees Policy does state the additional 24 credits “must be in the area of study and/or core of the degree.” The capstone does count toward that 24.