TESC Transfer Question

[pkmoose]

Just a quick ???
If I completed 119 credits at TESC could I just transfer to another NJ college/university? ...and keep the same credits?
I am curious because TESC is a state college.... I would think it would be like a CC with the transfer policy.

[cookderosa]

Just a quick ???
If I completed 119 credits at TESC could I just transfer to another NJ college/university? ...and keep the same credits?
I am curious because TESC is a state college.... I would think it would be like a CC with the transfer policy.

Yes and no.

Can you do 119 at TESC then transfer? Yes

Keep the same credits? Depends on the degree you transfer into and the number of credits the new school accepts in transfer. Many restrict this at 45-60. A few allow 90, but only 3 regionally accredited colleges in the country do not have a cap. They are sometimes called "the big 3" and they are TESC, COSC, and EC. That's "how" they got their name. Additionally, the magic isn't in the number (119) it's in the distribution. In other words, if you need English 101 for 3 credits, having a million math credits never satisfies the English requirement...so you still have to meet the requirements of the degree.

TESC is a state college. Yes, but not relevant. It is regionally accredited, that's the important point. That allows transfer, not that it's a state college.

Like a CC with transfer. No, a CC is a junior college, technically a rank below a college granting graduate and undergraduate degrees. You might be referring to a block transfer where you earn an AA or AS and bring it in over to meet the gen eds? In that case, it would work the same way. However, that's a 60 credit transfer, not 119.

FWIW, I can't think of a single reason to earn 119 TESC credits and then not the degree. I've rolled it around in my brain, and seriously can't find one. What am I missing?

[jt003806]

Yes and no.

Can you do 119 at TESC then transfer? Yes

Keep the same credits? Depends on the degree you transfer into and the number of credits the new school accepts in transfer. Many restrict this at 45-60. A few allow 90, but only 3 regionally accredited colleges in the country do not have a cap. They are sometimes called "the big 3" and they are TESC, COSC, and EC. That's "how" they got their name. Additionally, the magic isn't in the number (119) it's in the distribution. In other words, if you need English 101 for 3 credits, having a million math credits never satisfies the English requirement...so you still have to meet the requirements of the degree.

TESC is a state college. Yes, but not relevant. It is regionally accredited, that's the important point. That allows transfer, not that it's a state college.

Like a CC with transfer. No, a CC is a junior college, technically a rank below a college granting graduate and undergraduate degrees. You might be referring to a block transfer where you earn an AA or AS and bring it in over to meet the gen eds? In that case, it would work the same way. However, that's a 60 credit transfer, not 119.

FWIW, I can't think of a single reason to earn 119 TESC credits and then not the degree. I've rolled it around in my brain, and seriously can't find one. What am I missing?

Actually, I think the reference to a state school pertains to njtransfer, an agreement where all NJ state school accept other NJ state and commmunity college courses for transfer. Even w/ this agreement, Cookderosa is correct that residency requirements remain intact. Most require at least 30 credits be taken at their school. Furthermore, NJTransfer only covers actual classes- not credit granted. Rutgers, for example, will not give you credit for CLEP, DSST or ACE approved courses; at best, they may allow you to use them merely as prerequisites for no credit.

[Gaz]

Imagine, you are currently a student at TESC with 119 credits but you would now prefer to earn a specific degree from Rutgers.. You could finish your degree with TESC and apply at Rutgers as a second degree student. Second degree students fall under different criteria and are usually exempt from specific requirements.

[cookderosa]

Imagine, you are currently a student at TESC with 119 credits but you would now prefer to earn a specific degree from Rutgers.. You could finish your degree with TESC and apply at Rutgers as a second degree student. Second degree students fall under different criteria and are usually exempt from specific requirements.

AND, at that point your degree can be a masters. Plus, cool thing about a master's degree, they are usually MUCH shorter. 2 years or so, roughly only 10-12 classes. So, TESC for undergrad, XYZ school for the masters.

[Gaz]

AND, at that point your degree can be a masters. Plus, cool thing about a master's degree, they are usually MUCH shorter. 2 years or so, roughly only 10-12 classes. So, TESC for undergrad, XYZ school for the masters.

Second degree requirements at many major universities are also only 10-12 classes. In most cases, you only need to complete the major requirements. As Jennifer mentioned, you can earn a masters in the same amount of time. I would only consider a masters program unless the second degree served a specific purpose such as with nursing.

[JBjunior]

Imagine, you are currently a student at TESC with 119 credits but you would now prefer to earn a specific degree from Rutgers.. You could finish your degree with TESC and apply at Rutgers as a second degree student. Second degree students fall under different criteria and are usually exempt from specific requirements.

Your first sentence was all the hype a couple of years ago when it was proposed that Rutgers and TESC would merge. If you were close to finishing your TESC degree it was hoped it would be finalized after the merger and would magically get a Rutgers degree. Of course this never happened.


You also said that you would prefer to earn a second BA/BS than a MA/MS? In what situation would a second undergrad degree be more marketable or have more ROI than a graduate degree?

[Gaz]

Your first sentence was all the hype a couple of years ago when it was proposed that Rutgers and TESC would merge. If you were close to finishing your TESC degree it was hoped it would be finalized after the merger and would magically get a Rutgers degree. Of course this never happened.


You also said that you would prefer to earn a second BA/BS than a MA/MS? In what situation would a second undergrad degree be more marketable or have more ROI than a graduate degree?

This thread started with a query from 'pkmoose'. I am not the person interested in TESC, Rutgers, transfering my credits or a second degree. I was simply presenting information. I based this information on what I know and what I think might be tinkering around in pkmoose's head.

Here is what I said, I would ONLY consider a masters program UNLESS the second degree served a specific purpose such as with nursing. In other words, don't bother with another BS/BA unless it serves a specific purpose.

However, I will answer your question anyway. A second degree BSN from USF is more marketable than an MBA from Strayer University. It could quite possibly be more marketable than a Harvard MFA.

[JBjunior]

This thread started with a query from 'pkmoose'. I am not the person interested in TESC, Rutgers, transfering my credits or a second degree. I was simply presenting information. I based this information on what I know and what I think might be tinkering around in pkmoose's head.

Here is what I said, I would ONLY consider a masters program UNLESS the second degree served a specific purpose such as with nursing. In other words, don't bother with another BS/BA unless it serves a specific purpose.

However, I will answer your question anyway. A second degree BSN from USF is more marketable than an MBA from Strayer University. It could quite possibly be more marketable than a Harvard MFA.

Thank you for clarifying.

[pkmoose]

Yes, I did start the topic. I was just curious for some of the reasons pointed out here. I am attending TESC, I have 94 semester hours towards a degree requirement of 120 and am close to going over 100 with the help of a CLEP or two. I remember hearing awhile ago, as was pointed out, that TESC and Rutgers were going to merge, then I thought to myself... I would think a degree from Rutgers would carry more weight that one from TESC. The reference to the CC was that almost all credit from a CC will transfer to a state college, at least in NJ. My thinking was that if they are all state schools, then maybe the max transfer credits might be waived.
Thank you all for the responses.