Schools that accept ACE credits and allow 90cr in transfer

[miah]

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There is another college that could be added to this list. SUNY Empire State College is similar to the Big 3 in its acceptance of the maximum credits it allows in for transfer as well as alternative credits, such as via CLEP, ACE, etc, experiential credits, portfolio reviews, etc. 

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There is another college that could be added to this list. SUNY Empire State College is similar to the Big 3 in its acceptance of the maximum credits it allows in for transfer as well as alternative credits, such as via CLEP, ACE, etc, experiential credits, portfolio reviews, etc. 
Plus being SUNY it has that additional recognition as well. 
And, if a student qualifies for the instate free tuition grant/scholarship, they could save even more money by attending SUNY ESC!

ESC does not accept many ACE credits. They are limited on ACE providers. They even have limits on CLEP. 

That experiential credit and portfolio review is a BOATLOAD of work. My husband did 2 courses as a PLA years ago with them. It's MUCH easier and far LESS work to take their classes and complete them. You also need to document everything job related in the PLA which means getting a supervisor involved sometimes which is NOT easy. ESC was not designed to be an alt credit program like the Big 3.  

The Excelsior Grant does NOT over full tuition even though the governor claims it does. There's also a boatload of fees and it pays none of them. You also must remain a resident of the state for so many years after receiving the grant or you have to pay it back. Very few people have actually received the grant. There was an article last year that said only 9,000 students had actually received the grant out of tens of thousands who were supposedly eligible. 
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1) Yes, the Excelsior scholarship has actually covered the cost of TUITION for ELIGIBLE FULL time students that meet the eligibility requirements (some of which are being NYS RESIDENTs, meet the familial income cap, are in full time status, apply when first matriculated, and then continue to successfully complete 15 cr per term, Fall and Spring/30 credits each year to maintain the satisfactory progress requirement.) 
https://www.hesc.ny.gov/pay-for-college/financial-aid/types-of-financial-aid/nys-grants-scholarships-awards/the-excelsior-scholarship.html

2) I don’t know what the article said you are referring to, but maybe people did not apply, or they didn’t progress with success and complete the 30 credits annually as required (at which point it converts to a zero interest loan, still not a bad deal!) 

3) I also never said the Excelsior Scholarship covered any of the fees. (I noted it would be even cheaper if one qualified for the tuition scholarship though, as all they would have additional to pay for were the fees as the tuition would be covered.)

4) Actually, SUNY ESC was created to offer students a flexible degree completion option. 
One that did not need to be completed through attending a traditional campus or F2F class and which allowed for other avenues to earn credits and a degree.
“Founded in 1971 to break the mold of higher education.Still leading the way.-
SUNY Empire was established in 1971 by the SUNY Board of Trustees and then-chancellor and future United States Commissioner of Education Ernest L. Boyer as a pioneering statewide SUNY institution focused on educating students at any stage of life or learning, with faculty mentors working closely with students to design individualized degree programs.
Today, the college continues its commitment to flexible, accessible education with more than 110 online degrees and certificates and locations in every region of the state and seven international sites so SUNY Empire students can pursue their education around the demands of a busy life -- whether online, face-to-face, or a blend of both.Empire State College fulfills its mission by providing learning opportunities designed to accommodate students with family, work, and community responsibilities. At the core of the learning-teaching environment, individualized study and the creation of an individual degree plan is supported by a faculty mentor to whom each student is assigned. Empire State College students can take advantage of multiple modes of study including guided independent studies, study groups, intensive residencies, online courses, and blended-learning experiences. *The college also was one of the first institutions in the United States to develop a program of prior learning assessment, whereby students may earn college credit through assessment of prior learning from their work and life experiences.
The college offers flexible programs, including distance education, *extensive transfers of credits from other universities, *prior-learning assessment for knowledge gained through independent studies, *standardized evaluations, and the opportunity to design one's own degree with an academic advisor or mentor.”

5)  Nobody is saying one has to do a PLA, but it is another option they offer for one to earn credit! 

6) SUNY ESC accepts many CLEP and ACE courses (and one can check them out as I included a link in the prior post for reference  - plus they might still consider additional ones too if one asks them to. Students can always request a school to consider other courses and credits than what they may have noted on their webpage.)

I didn’t come here to argue!  

Maybe SUNY ESC won’t be the best option for everyone, and maybe not everyone will qualify for the Excelsior Scholarship;   But Suny ESC is one additional pathway that somebody can possibly consider, especially if they are residents of NYS!
As too might be the Excelsior Scholarship if one qualifies and applies for it! 
But if one only needs to finish up a degree, ESC is similar in residency requirements (31 cr) to some of those listed with 30 credits, and is in the ballpark per credit as some of the others, especially if one is planning on completing via full time enrollment.

Life is good as we are all still alive and breathing! 
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Enjoy your evening!

PS- 
I also didn’t mean to misrepresent CUNY as the same as SUNY.  I compared it more to the community colleges outside of NYC. You’re correct that they are totally separate entities (unlike the community colleges which are partially SUNY, as well as county administered) - but both CUNY and SUNY (and community colleges) make up the university system of NY, which is what I should have said to be clearer, explicit and accurate.

[ss20ts]

I live in NY. I've been a student at ESC. The Excelsior Scholarship website says one thing, but reality is something entirely different. 

The website you posted says this:

A recipient of an Excelsior Scholarship may receive up to $5,500.

To determine the award amount, the 2016-17 resident tuition rate charged by SUNY ($6,470) or CUNY ($6,330) will be reduced by the amount of certain other student financial aid awards which an applicant has or will receive for the academic year, including a NYS Tuition Assistance Program (TAP) award and/or federal Pell grant. The Excelsior Scholarship will cover any remaining tuition liability up to $5,500; and a tuition credit will cover any remaining tuition expenses not covered by the Excelsior Scholarship.


I admit math is not best my subject, but if the scholarship is $5,500 and tuition (not including fees) is $6,470, then the scholarship does not cover the full amount of tuition. There is a tuition credit, but that is not the scholarship. If you've ever attended a SUNY school, then you know the fees can be as much as the tuition. Then there's ridiculous amount you have to spend on textbooks.

Almost no one on here would qualify for this scholarship which has been talked about before. If you have every been to any college ever, you don't qualify. If by some miracle you get the scholarship, then you have to stay a full time student for every term and then stay a NY resident for x number of years or you have to pay it back. 

You must also graduate in 4 years which is a HUGE problem.

As of 2012, only 25.9% of CUNY students graduate with a bachelors within 4 years, as required by the Excelsior Scholarship, according to the CUNY Office of Institutional Research and Assessment.[9] 48.9% of State University of New York students graduate with a bachelors within 4 years.[10]

Then there's this issue...yup it can be converted into a loan. Hardly a scholarship.

If students do not fulfill the work requirements, or fail to meet academic requirements the amount of scholarship funding they received will be converted into a loan.[11]

Tens of thousands of students applied over the years and most were denied. There's tons of articles about this you can read via Google. 

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/16/drawbacks-new-york-states-free-college-plan-essay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_Scholarship

https://fortune.com/2017/04/13/free-college-tuition-new-york-excelsior-scholarship-pay-education-bill/

70% of applicants were rejected.....so much for that scholarship program that was so easy to get. Just 3% of students attending college in NY received the "scholarship".

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/report...2018-08-16

https://www.gothamgazette.com/opinion/80...comes-next

https://nycfuture.org/research/excelsior-scholarship

Don't think the program hasn't been impacted by Covid either. The state has a long history of not having their act together with this "scholarship", too.

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.co...aces-cuts/

I'm well versed on ESC. Thanks for quoting the website. Back in the 90's, it was all self study courses where you had weekly phone calls with your instructor. It was a LOT of papers. It's somewhat different now as the courses are online. It was NEVER designed to be like the BIG 3. It is NOT super ACE or alternative credit friendly. They want you to take their courses because $$$$. If you've actually spoken to admissions about transferring ACE credits you'd find out, there are serious limits on it and they do not accept most providers. There's the vagueness on the website then there's what they tell you when you talk to them. I think the website is vague on purpose so they don't have to commit to anything. 

One side note...their classes are 4 credits so if you're not full time, you're paying a small fortune for 1 class....a class that if you transfer is probably only going to be worth 3 credits. In state residents pay over $1,400 for 1 class including fees. If you're full time which is 12 credits (3 courses) your tuition and fees is $3815. When I was enrolled full time tuition capped at 15 credits. Remember how I said their courses were 4 credits? So for that 4th class, you're paying over $4100. This may have changed so that you're not paying extra for that 1 credit, but all of SUNY does have a cap on how many credits you can take as a full time students before additional tuition is charged. They kind of suck that way. It happened to me taking 19 credits in a community college. I had to pay full time tuition and then part time tuition and fees on 1 credit. God forbid they don't charge someone extra fees. SUNY is VERY fee happy. 

ESC also has this gem called Portfolio Assessment Fee. It's $315 and every new student pays it. Even if you transfer all of your credits from an NY community college, you get hit with that fee. SUNY loooooooves their fees. The fees make up for the lack of annual tuition increases. I don't know if other state systems are this insane with the fees. I know CSU Global and UMPI are not. There were no additional fees at either school even though they are state universities and part of their state university systems. NY hasn't met a tax/fee it doesn't like. 

[miah]

I live in NY. I've been a student at ESC. The Excelsior Scholarship website says one thing, but reality is something entirely different. 

The website you posted says this:

A recipient of an Excelsior Scholarship may receive up to $5,500.

To determine the award amount, the 2016-17 resident tuition rate charged by SUNY ($6,470) or CUNY ($6,330) will be reduced by the amount of certain other student financial aid awards which an applicant has or will receive for the academic year, including a NYS Tuition Assistance Program (TAP) award and/or federal Pell grant. The Excelsior Scholarship will cover any remaining tuition liability up to $5,500; and a tuition credit will cover any remaining tuition expenses not covered by the Excelsior Scholarship.


I admit math is not best my subject, but if the scholarship is $5,500 and tuition (not including fees) is $6,470, then the scholarship does not cover the full amount of tuition. There is a tuition credit, but that is not the scholarship. If you've ever attended a SUNY school, then you know the fees can be as much as the tuition. Then there's ridiculous amount you have to spend on textbooks.

Almost no one on here would qualify for this scholarship which has been talked about before. If you have every been to any college ever, you don't qualify. If by some miracle you get the scholarship, then you have to stay a full time student for every term and then stay a NY resident for x number of years or you have to pay it back. 

You must also graduate in 4 years which is a HUGE problem.

As of 2012, only 25.9% of CUNY students graduate with a bachelors within 4 years, as required by the Excelsior Scholarship, according to the CUNY Office of Institutional Research and Assessment.[9] 48.9% of State University of New York students graduate with a bachelors within 4 years.[10]

Then there's this issue...yup it can be converted into a loan. Hardly a scholarship.

If students do not fulfill the work requirements, or fail to meet academic requirements the amount of scholarship funding they received will be converted into a loan.[11]

Tens of thousands of students applied over the years and most were denied. There's tons of articles about this you can read via Google. 

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/16/drawbacks-new-york-states-free-college-plan-essay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_Scholarship

https://fortune.com/2017/04/13/free-college-tuition-new-york-excelsior-scholarship-pay-education-bill/

70% of applicants were rejected.....so much for that scholarship program that was so easy to get. Just 3% of students attending college in NY received the "scholarship".

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/report...2018-08-16

https://www.gothamgazette.com/opinion/80...comes-next

https://nycfuture.org/research/excelsior-scholarship

Don't think the program hasn't been impacted by Covid either. The state has a long history of not having their act together with this "scholarship", too.

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.co...aces-cuts/

I'm well versed on ESC. Thanks for quoting the website. Back in the 90's, it was all self study courses where you had weekly phone calls with your instructor. It was a LOT of papers. It's somewhat different now as the courses are online. It was NEVER designed to be like the BIG 3. It is NOT super ACE or alternative credit friendly. They want you to take their courses because $$$$. If you've actually spoken to admissions about transferring ACE credits you'd find out, there are serious limits on it and they do not accept most providers. There's the vagueness on the website then there's what they tell you when you talk to them. I think the website is vague on purpose so they don't have to commit to anything. 

One side note...their classes are 4 credits so if you're not full time, you're paying a small fortune for 1 class....a class that if you transfer is probably only going to be worth 3 credits. In state residents pay over $1,400 for 1 class including fees. If you're full time which is 12 credits (3 courses) your tuition and fees is $3815. When I was enrolled full time tuition capped at 15 credits. Remember how I said their courses were 4 credits? So for that 4th class, you're paying over $4100. This may have changed so that you're not paying extra for that 1 credit, but all of SUNY does have a cap on how many credits you can take as a full time students before additional tuition is charged. They kind of suck that way. It happened to me taking 19 credits in a community college. I had to pay full time tuition and then part time tuition and fees on 1 credit. God forbid they don't charge someone extra fees. SUNY is VERY fee happy. 

ESC also has this gem called Portfolio Assessment Fee. It's $315 and every new student pays it. Even if you transfer all of your credits from an NY community college, you get hit with that fee. SUNY loooooooves their fees. The fees make up for the lack of annual tuition increases. I don't know if other state systems are this insane with the fees. I know CSU Global and UMPI are not. There were no additional fees at either school even though they are state universities and part of their state university systems. NY hasn't met a tax/fee it doesn't like. 

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I’m thru engaging with you on this topic as people can research it for themself and their individual situation.

[dfrecore]

I was looking into low-cost online degrees. One really interesting one is Arkansas State University. They have, among other programs, an AACSB-accredited BS in Business Administration offered online, they accept ACE, NCCRS, DSSTs, CLEPs, UExcels, and others, and they allow up to 90 credit hours transfer. According to page 41 of their 20-21 bulletin, only 25% (30 credits) of your degree can come from credit by exam (including CLEP). I couldn't find any limitations on ACE/NCCRS Credit, but there very well might be. Cost is $258/credit hour, and that includes fees. Might be something for us to look further into.

I think they're one of the many (most?) schools that will take 90cr of transfer, that's VERY common.   But only 30cr can be alternative; so the other 60cr have to be RA.

I don't see where they will take DSST or ACE/NCCRS, can you point me in the right direction?

In the 2020-21 bulletin, page 35, it says:

A-State will consider awarding credit toward an Associate or a Baccalaureate degree for Advanced Placement (AP), College Level Examination program (CLEP), Military service education and experience, DANTES, formal non collegiate courses for which credit has been recommended as listed in the Directory of National Program on Non Collegiate Sponsored Instruction and in the National Guide to Educational Credit for Training Programs published by ACE, International Baccalaureate, and Excelsior College Exams.

Then, on the FAQ page for the BSBA:

A-State accepts up to 90 credit hours for transfer. If you meet this limit, the cost of completing your bachelor's degree is only $7,740. In addition to previous credits from a regionally accredited institution, A-State will also consider credits from Advanced Placement (AP) courses, the College Level Examination program (CLEP), military service education and experience, Defense Activity for Non-Traditional Education Support (DANTES) and formal non-collegiate courses. For non-collegiate courses, credit must be recommended by the Directory of National Program on Non Collegiate Sponsored Instruction, and in the National Guide to Educational Credit for Training Programs.

I'm not sure why they still call NCCRS the "National Program on Non-Collegiate Sponsored Instruction," but that's NCCRS, nonetheless. I also don't know what this translates to in practice, but considering that they apparently accept NCCRS and UExcel, I should think they would be fairly flexible with what they accept from ACE.

I've never seen a school that will take NCCRS but not ACE, kind of kooky wording.

BUT, just an FYI, AP, CLEP and DSST (DANTES is long-gone at this point), are all ACE-recommended for college credit.  That's the reason the Big 3 will take their credits, unlike other schools.  I know that the Big 3 goes strictly by ACE recommendations even for AP exams.

I just looked it up, National Guide to Educational Credit for Training Programs is ACE.  So that's good to know.

I'm wondering if they accept 90cr of ACE/NCCRS, or if there's a maximum there?

[monchevy]

I live in NY. I've been a student at ESC. The Excelsior Scholarship website says one thing, but reality is something entirely different. 

The website you posted says this:

A recipient of an Excelsior Scholarship may receive up to $5,500.

To determine the award amount, the 2016-17 resident tuition rate charged by SUNY ($6,470) or CUNY ($6,330) will be reduced by the amount of certain other student financial aid awards which an applicant has or will receive for the academic year, including a NYS Tuition Assistance Program (TAP) award and/or federal Pell grant. The Excelsior Scholarship will cover any remaining tuition liability up to $5,500; and a tuition credit will cover any remaining tuition expenses not covered by the Excelsior Scholarship.


I admit math is not best my subject, but if the scholarship is $5,500 and tuition (not including fees) is $6,470, then the scholarship does not cover the full amount of tuition. There is a tuition credit, but that is not the scholarship. If you've ever attended a SUNY school, then you know the fees can be as much as the tuition. Then there's ridiculous amount you have to spend on textbooks.

Almost no one on here would qualify for this scholarship which has been talked about before. If you have every been to any college ever, you don't qualify. If by some miracle you get the scholarship, then you have to stay a full time student for every term and then stay a NY resident for x number of years or you have to pay it back. 

You must also graduate in 4 years which is a HUGE problem.

As of 2012, only 25.9% of CUNY students graduate with a bachelors within 4 years, as required by the Excelsior Scholarship, according to the CUNY Office of Institutional Research and Assessment.[9] 48.9% of State University of New York students graduate with a bachelors within 4 years.[10]

Then there's this issue...yup it can be converted into a loan. Hardly a scholarship.

If students do not fulfill the work requirements, or fail to meet academic requirements the amount of scholarship funding they received will be converted into a loan.[11]

Tens of thousands of students applied over the years and most were denied. There's tons of articles about this you can read via Google. 

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/16/drawbacks-new-york-states-free-college-plan-essay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_Scholarship

https://fortune.com/2017/04/13/free-college-tuition-new-york-excelsior-scholarship-pay-education-bill/

70% of applicants were rejected.....so much for that scholarship program that was so easy to get. Just 3% of students attending college in NY received the "scholarship".

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/report...2018-08-16

https://www.gothamgazette.com/opinion/80...comes-next

https://nycfuture.org/research/excelsior-scholarship

Don't think the program hasn't been impacted by Covid either. The state has a long history of not having their act together with this "scholarship", too.

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.co...aces-cuts/

I'm well versed on ESC. Thanks for quoting the website. Back in the 90's, it was all self study courses where you had weekly phone calls with your instructor. It was a LOT of papers. It's somewhat different now as the courses are online. It was NEVER designed to be like the BIG 3. It is NOT super ACE or alternative credit friendly. They want you to take their courses because $$$$. If you've actually spoken to admissions about transferring ACE credits you'd find out, there are serious limits on it and they do not accept most providers. There's the vagueness on the website then there's what they tell you when you talk to them. I think the website is vague on purpose so they don't have to commit to anything. 

One side note...their classes are 4 credits so if you're not full time, you're paying a small fortune for 1 class....a class that if you transfer is probably only going to be worth 3 credits. In state residents pay over $1,400 for 1 class including fees. If you're full time which is 12 credits (3 courses) your tuition and fees is $3815. When I was enrolled full time tuition capped at 15 credits. Remember how I said their courses were 4 credits? So for that 4th class, you're paying over $4100. This may have changed so that you're not paying extra for that 1 credit, but all of SUNY does have a cap on how many credits you can take as a full time students before additional tuition is charged. They kind of suck that way. It happened to me taking 19 credits in a community college. I had to pay full time tuition and then part time tuition and fees on 1 credit. God forbid they don't charge someone extra fees. SUNY is VERY fee happy. 

ESC also has this gem called Portfolio Assessment Fee. It's $315 and every new student pays it. Even if you transfer all of your credits from an NY community college, you get hit with that fee. SUNY loooooooves their fees. The fees make up for the lack of annual tuition increases. I don't know if other state systems are this insane with the fees. I know CSU Global and UMPI are not. There were no additional fees at either school even though they are state universities and part of their state university systems. NY hasn't met a tax/fee it doesn't like. 

Amen to all of this. I'm a New Yorker as well, and I'm not taking a single credit of my degree at a NY or NYC school. Since I'm paying out of pocket, they're all out of my league. Even the community colleges.

[bluebooger]

> Amen to all of this. I'm a New Yorker as well, and I'm not taking a single credit of my degree at a NY or NYC school. Since I'm paying out of pocket, they're all out of my league. Even the community colleges.

its not that expensive
Empire State College is $295 per credit with a minimum of 31 credits taken there
comes out to $9145
throw in Modern States, CLEP, DANTES, Excelsior exams, TECEP exams, ACE, and NCCRS credits for your remaining courses and it doesn't seem too bad
especially if you spread the $9145 out over 3 years

and 31 minimum required credits there means you can do 28 upper level credits (or 7 upper level courses) there

which would be great if you're going for something like a bachelors in Math

31 credits required
https://www.esc.edu/degrees-programs/und...uirements/

tuition
https://www.esc.edu/tuition-financial-ai...ion-rates/

credit for prior college-level learning
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...-learning/

clep scores
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...es-credit/

Standardized Exams
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...zed-exams/

[monchevy]

> Amen to all of this. I'm a New Yorker as well, and I'm not taking a single credit of my degree at a NY or NYC school. Since I'm paying out of pocket, they're all out of my league. Even the community colleges.

its not that expensive              
Empire State College is $295 per credit with a minimum of 31 credits taken there              
comes out to $9145
throw in Modern States, CLEP, DANTES, Excelsior exams, TECEP exams, ACE, and NCCRS credits for your remaining courses and it doesn't seem too bad
especially if you spread the $9145 out over 3 years

and 31 minimum required credits there means you can do 28 upper level credits (or 7 upper level courses) there

which would be great if you're going for something like a bachelors in Math

31 credits required
https://www.esc.edu/degrees-programs/und...uirements/

tuition
https://www.esc.edu/tuition-financial-ai...ion-rates/

credit for prior college-level learning
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...-learning/

clep scores
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...es-credit/

Standardized Exams
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...zed-exams/

I'm good, thanks.

[ss20ts]

> Amen to all of this. I'm a New Yorker as well, and I'm not taking a single credit of my degree at a NY or NYC school. Since I'm paying out of pocket, they're all out of my league. Even the community colleges.

its not that expensive              
Empire State College is $295 per credit with a minimum of 31 credits taken there              
comes out to $9145
throw in Modern States, CLEP, DANTES, Excelsior exams, TECEP exams, ACE, and NCCRS credits for your remaining courses and it doesn't seem too bad
especially if you spread the $9145 out over 3 years

and 31 minimum required credits there means you can do 28 upper level credits (or 7 upper level courses) there

which would be great if you're going for something like a bachelors in Math

31 credits required
https://www.esc.edu/degrees-programs/und...uirements/

tuition
https://www.esc.edu/tuition-financial-ai...ion-rates/

credit for prior college-level learning
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...-learning/

clep scores
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...es-credit/

Standardized Exams
https://www.esc.edu/degree-planning-acad...zed-exams/

You'd have to take a minimum of 32 credits as their courses are all 4 credits for some odd reason. They also are strict with ACE so you can't bring in 90 ACE credits. They don't accept all ACE providers. When you speak with admissions they're not uber thrilled to discuss ACE I have found. Oh and don't forget all of the fees. It's definitely far more than the Big 3, WGU, and UMPI. It's also a college not a university and for some that matters. 

[tpowell]

There is another college that could be added to this list. SUNY Empire State College is similar to the Big 3 in its acceptance of the maximum credits it allows in for transfer as well as alternative credits, such as via CLEP, ACE, etc, experiential credits, portfolio reviews, etc. 
Plus being SUNY it has that additional recognition as well. 
And, if a student qualifies for the instate free tuition grant/scholarship, they could save even more money by attending SUNY ESC!

Is SUNY different than CUNY in policy? CUNY is very limited in what they actually accept, as noted in this thread: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...out-of-120 Basically, yes, you can transfer in a bunch of credits but good luck actually finding inexpensive credits that they'll accept.

SUNY and CUNY are not colleges/universities. SUNY is the NY State system, CUNY is the NY City system (SPS is only one school in the CUNY system, for example). Each system (and sometimes school) has different policies, different requirements, different tuition/fees, etc.

Both systems are very expensive and come with a lot of red tape. I live in NY City, and if I wanted to take a few classes at a CUNY school, say, City College, as a visiting/non-degree student, it would cost me $445/credit + fees. And there are LOTS of fees. Believe me, nothing about SUNY or CUNY schools is affordable.

This is a false statement> SUNY and CUNY are not colleges/universities. SUNY= State University of NY, CUNY= City University of New York

[ss20ts]

SUNY is the governing board of the SUNY system and the same CUNY. There are colleges in both the SUNY and CUNY systems, but neither SUNY nor CUNY themselves are actual colleges/universities. There are colleges and universities in both systems. It's a complicated thing. NYS doesn't like making things easy. LOL