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humboldtjake Wrote:This is incorrect. As a healthcare recruiter, I know that there are plenty of 1 year MSN, which qualifies the degree holder to practice as an Advanced Practice RN. This is an NP. The University of Texas at Arlington has a 1 year MSN. However, you must have a BSN in order to take this.
Other people have been saying that PA are now masters degrees. This is in the middle of happening. Most PAs have a Associates degree in Physician Assistant studies or a PA certificate, hence the abbreviation, PA-C that many PAs use. I have seen that masters are becoming more common. The statistic that 80% of RNs only have a AS in Nursing is not true. I would say that about 65-70% have a BSN now. The only people I have seen still with a AS are older nurses.
Can you please name 1-year, online, MSN-NP programs? Can you tell me how many schools are still offering an accredited certificate or associate's degree in physician assistant studies?
I think this article is from 2009. At the time, there were only 3 associates programs in PA and 5 certificate programs in PA. 113 of the 142 accredited programs were master's programs; 21 were bachelor's programs. Maybe there are a lot of PAs with associates and certificates from the past, but most PAs will have masters degrees. There is no way that those with associates and certificates can remain in the majority when there are only 8 programs left that award these designations. There might be less now.
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This is a more recent article from 2013.
Quote:UC Davis leaders also needed to prepare for accreditation changes that require master’s degrees for physician assistant programs by 2021. Already, 92 percent of the nation’s physician assistant programs offer master’s degrees.
UC Davis enhances nurse practitioner, physician assistant program to offer master's degrees
These are the statistics I found on the education of nurses. These are from 2008; maybe someone can find something more recent. Until someone can substantiate his/her claims, I'm going to assume you're both wrong. Mind you, I was not the one who said that 80% of nurses have an associates degree. You should have quoted her post or separated that statement from the paragraph in response to my post to eliminate confusion.
Quote:RNs with a diploma as highest educational level: 12.1%
RNs with an associate degree as highest educational level: 37.6%
RNs with a baccalaureate as highest educational level: 37.3%
RNs with an MSN or doctoral degree as highest educational level: 13.0%
https://www.noadn.org/resources/nursing-facts.html
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10-09-2013, 06:06 PM
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It is 50% of nurses of have less than a BSN, not 80%. I edited my post to correct that. See the Institute of Medicine report The Future of Nursing. The Future of Nursing: Focus on Education - Institute of Medicine
UT Arlington
ACNP 48-51 hours College of Nursing: Acute Care NP Degree Plan
ACPNP 52-54 hours College of Nursing: Acute Care Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
AGPCNP 50 hours College of Nursing: ANP-GNP Primary Care NP Degree Plan
FNP 51-54 hours College of Nursing: Family Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
NNP 50-53 hours College of Nursing: Neonatal Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
PNP 48-51 hours College of Nursing: Primary Care Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
PMHNP 48-51 hours College of Nursing: Family Psychiatric-Mental Health Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
The degree plans are five semesters, not three, not one year. These programs are for BSN degree holders. An individualized certificate program is for people who already have an MSN in something else. The length of a post-master's certificate depends on what courses were previously completed. If the three required patho, pharm, and health assessment courses were already completed, then a post-MSN certificate could be obtained in as little as 12 months.
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One year FNP, only sort of.
"Those who are already Family Nurse Practitioners, with a bachelor's degree in nursing (or the equivalent), can earn a master's degree in one year by completing 36 units of academic coursework in an individually designed program of study." MS Specialty Area: Family Nurse Practitioner (FNP) | UCSF School of Nursing
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One year pediatric NP. Penn Nursing Science
Advanced patho, pharm, and health assessment are absolutely required for NP programs. By taking these concurrently with clinical courses, an NP program can be done in a year. Most schools treat these courses as prerequisites to clinical practicums, which is the way it should be done.
http://www.aacn.nche.edu/education-resou...ia2012.pdf
Criterion III.D: The curriculum plan evidences appropriate course sequencing.
Elaboration:
The curriculum plan should document the course sequencing and prerequisites designed to promote development of competencies. Clinical experiences should be supported by preceding or concurrent didactic content. A student should complete the basic graduate coursework and APRN core coursework (advanced pharmacology, advanced health assessment, and advanced physiology/pathophysiology) prior to or concurrent with commencing clinical course work.
Some things should not be rushed. Nursing is definitely one of those things. 12 month BSN programs have been proven to be failures. 12 month NP programs are not a good idea. Having advanced patho and pharm knowledge before doing NP clinicals makes sense. Pathophysiology is the foundation upon which nursing, particularly advanced practice nursing, is built upon.
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clep3705 Wrote:It is 50% of nurses of have less than a BSN, not 80%. I edited my post to correct that. See the Institute of Medicine report The Future of Nursing. The Future of Nursing: Focus on Education - Institute of Medicine
UT Arlington
ACNP 48-51 hours College of Nursing: Acute Care NP Degree Plan
ACPNP 52-54 hours College of Nursing: Acute Care Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
AGPCNP 50 hours College of Nursing: ANP-GNP Primary Care NP Degree Plan
FNP 51-54 hours College of Nursing: Family Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
NNP 50-53 hours College of Nursing: Neonatal Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
PNP 48-51 hours College of Nursing: Primary Care Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
PMHNP 48-51 hours College of Nursing: Family Psychiatric-Mental Health Nurse Practitioner Degree Plan
The degree plans are five semesters, not three, not one year. These programs are for BSN degree holders. An individualized certificate program is for people who already have an MSN in something else. The length of a post-master's certificate depends on what courses were previously completed. If the three required patho, pharm, and health assessment courses were already completed, then a post-MSN certificate could be obtained in as little as 12 months.
University of Miami
One year FNP Family Nurse Practitioner 1-Year Plan | School of Nursing and Health Studies | University of Miami
USCF
One year FNP, only sort of.
"Those who are already Family Nurse Practitioners, with a bachelor's degree in nursing (or the equivalent), can earn a master's degree in one year by completing 36 units of academic coursework in an individually designed program of study." MS Specialty Area: Family Nurse Practitioner (FNP) | UCSF School of Nursing
University of Pennsylvania
One year pediatric NP. Penn Nursing Science
Advanced patho, pharm, and health assessment are absolutely required for NP programs. By taking these concurrently with clinical courses, an NP program can be done in a year. Most schools treat these courses as prerequisites to clinical practicums, which is the way it should be done.
http://www.aacn.nche.edu/education-resou...ia2012.pdf
Criterion III.D: The curriculum plan evidences appropriate course sequencing.
Elaboration:
The curriculum plan should document the course sequencing and prerequisites designed to promote development of competencies. Clinical experiences should be supported by preceding or concurrent didactic content. A student should complete the basic graduate coursework and APRN core coursework (advanced pharmacology, advanced health assessment, and advanced physiology/pathophysiology) prior to or concurrent with commencing clinical course work.
Some things should not be rushed. Nursing is definitely one of those things. 12 month BSN programs have been proven to be failures. 12 month NP programs are not a good idea. Having advanced patho and pharm knowledge before doing NP clinicals makes sense. Pathophysiology is the foundation upon which nursing, particularly advanced practice nursing, is built upon.
Other than UT Arlington because I know their APRN programs aren't online, are any of those other programs online? I wanted to know if the OP had any 1-year, online, NP programs in mind because enrolling in one is one of his plans.
humboldtjake Wrote:PA Certificate Programs:
Red Rocks Community College :: Physician Assistant Program
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Earn Your Physician Assistant Degree at SJVC in Visalia, California
I already said there were 5 left in 2009. I also quoted an article that said 92% of today's PA programs are masters programs. Obviously, certificate and associates programs in PA are extremely rare in the U.S. I saw one that is not accepting students right now. My prediction is that they'll all be gone soon way before the 2021 deadline.
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