Please help with second Bachelor's degree. URGENT PLEASE!

[drashrafaziz]

Hello everyone,

I've successfully completed a BS in liberal arts at Excelsior college in 2016, but I need to get a second bachelor's degree. I used transcripts for classes I attended overseas, and when I applied to graduate schools, they are all asking me to supply them with official transcripts from all colleges/universities attended. The sad part is my school overseas is refusing to give me transcripts despite my innumerable attempts and efforts. 

Given that I already have a BSLA, what is the shortest path for me to a second Bachelor's degree? major/area of study is not important. 

Here is a list of all classes I have so far:

Northern Virginia Community College (2008-present): All courses with B or better)

PED       116       Fitness And Wellness              2.00
PSY       201       Intro to Psych I                  3.00
PSY       202       Intro to Psych II                 3.00
PSY       215       Abnormal Psychology               3.00
HLT       141       Intro to Med Termin               1.00
ENG       111       College Compositn I               3.00
ENG       112       Coll Composition II               3.00
MTH       151       Math For Lib Arts I               3.00 
MTH       157       Elementary Statistic              4.00 
ARA       201       Intermed. Arabic I                3.00
ARA       202       Intermed. Arabic II               3.00
ITE       115       Intro Computer Appl/Concepts      3.00
BIO       141       Hum Anatmy & Phys I               4.00
BIO       142       Hum Anatmy & Phys II              4.00
BIO       205       General Microbiology              4.00
CHM       111       General Chemistry I               4.00
BIO       256       General Genetics                  4.00
CHM       260       Intro. Biochemistry               3.00
 

Associate of Applied Science in physical therapy assistant major: (2010- present): All courses with B or better
PTH       105       Into. to Phy. Therap              3.00
PTH       121       Therapeutic Proc I                5.00
PTH       151       Musculoskeletal Stru              5.00
PTH       115       Kinesiology For PT                5.00
PTH       122       Therapeutic Proc II               5.00
PTH       131       Clinical Education I              3.00
PTH       225       Rehabilitation Proc               5.00
PTH    232    Clinical Eductn III      5.00 
PTH       210       Psyc Asp of Therapy               2.00
PTH       227       Pathological Conditn              2.00
PTH       245       Professional Issues               3.00
PTH       231       Clinical Educatn II            5.00
 
Old Dominion University: 2014
CHP 415W Critical issues in community health admin
CHP 425 Health Aspects of Aging
 
Excelsior College: BSLA degree Awarded in 2016
LA*498 LIBERAL ARTS CAPSTONE
 
Coopersmith Career Consulting, LLC in 2016
Information Literacy 2 Credits
 
Dantes Tests: 2016
Introduction to world religion 3cr
Business ethics and society 3cr
Criminal Justice 3cr
 

Thank you.

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I was considering a BS in natural sciences from Excelsior college, but I'm not sure of the requirement of the Upper-Level credits.
https://www.excelsior.edu/documents/7866...1d5deb5685

[bjcheung77]

You need to skip the Bachelors if another option exists, can you answer the following?
1) Did you have to supply your international credentials to Excelsior in 2016 or your previous schools?
2) Which graduate program are you applying for? Are there other comparable programs around?
3) From the looks of things, you just took college/university courses and the capstone at Excelsior. Right?
4) Is that school accepting your Excelsior and other college courses? Wouldn't an international credit evaluation service work?
5) Most transcripts from overseas schools are in another language, it needs to be transcribed/translated anyways...
6) Did you ask the school for more info if you can/can't get the transcripts? Did they respond back?
7) Which country/school did you go to? Which degree did you complete? If you didn't complete one, how far along were you?

[videogamesrock]

24 additional credits in a second area of study unrelated to your first degree or limited overlap. But I am not sure a second BA/BA will help, your MA/MS School will still want transcripts from your School that is being difficult with you.

[davewill]

24 additional credits in a second area of study unrelated to your first degree or limited overlap. But I am not sure a second BA/BA will help, your MA/MS School will still want transcripts from your School that is being difficult with you.

I agree. I find it extremely likely that a second bachelor's will not help with the transcript problem. You will probably still have to supply the transcripts, or convince the Master's program to allow you to omit them.

[dfrecore]

I guess we're not understanding your problem. First, why do you need another degree? Is it to get into the school you want to go to? Why would they accept your second degree but not your first degree? What credits came from the school that won't give you transcripts? It looks like all of your credits came from here in the US, and were transferred to EC for a degree, so I'm just not understanding what you need to give the school? It's confusing.

[drashrafaziz]

You need to skip the Bachelors if another option exists, can you answer the following?
1) Did you have to supply your international credentials to Excelsior in 2016 or your previous schools?
2) Which graduate program are you applying for? Are there other comparable programs around?
3) From the looks of things, you just took college/university courses and the capstone at Excelsior. Right?
4) Is that school accepting your Excelsior and other college courses? Wouldn't an international credit evaluation service work?
5) Most transcripts from overseas schools are in another language, it needs to be transcribed/translated anyways...
6) Did you ask the school for more info if you can/can't get the transcripts?  Did they respond back?
7) Which country/school did you go to?  Which degree did you complete? If you didn't complete one, how far along were you?

Thank you for your response,
1) yes, I did.
2) Physician Assistant masters program, but all programs are likely to ask for international transcripts as well. 
3) Yes, as I transferred a lot of credits.
4) Grad school is accepting Excelsior college BS degree w/o issues, they simply require you supply them with transcripts of all colleges attended.
5) My international transcripts were in English and were evaluated by ECE and WES 10 years ago, but those evals are now expired and I need to request new evals.
6) I called all PA programs I'm planning to apply to and they all said the same thing; I need the darn transcripts. 
7) Cairo University medical school in Egypt, but I never completed my degree. I completed three years of study in that school.

I hope that clears things a bit. 

Thank you.

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24 additional credits in a second area of study unrelated to your first degree or limited overlap. But I am not sure a second BA/BA will help, your MA/MS School will still want transcripts from your School that is being difficult with you.

Hello,
I think I will go for a BS in psychology with Excelsior, but I will NOT use the international credits for that degree to make sure I don't face the same issue when I obtain the psych degree and use to apply to grad school. So after graduating with a BS in psychology, the transcripts submitted to grad school won't reflect any international credits. I hope that makes sense.

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24 additional credits in a second area of study unrelated to your first degree or limited overlap. But I am not sure a second BA/BA will help, your MA/MS School will still want transcripts from your School that is being difficult with you.

I agree. I find it extremely likely that a second bachelor's will not help with the transcript problem. You will probably still have to supply the transcripts, or convince the Master's program to allow you to omit them.

Hello,
Would you please elaborate why a second degree won't eliminate the transcript problem?

Thank you.

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I guess we're not understanding your problem.  First, why do you need another degree?  Is it to get into the school you want to go to?  Why would they accept your second degree but not your first degree?  What credits came from the school that won't give you transcripts?  It looks like all of your credits came from here in the US, and were transferred to EC for a degree, so I'm just not understanding what you need to give the school?  It's confusing.

I apologize for the confusion. There are 41 science credits in my EC degree that I forgot to add to the list. I'm hoping if I get a second BS degree without ever using those 41 international credits I won't need to supply the international transcripts to the grad school. 

Thank you.

[videogamesrock]

You need to skip the Bachelors if another option exists, can you answer the following?
1) Did you have to supply your international credentials to Excelsior in 2016 or your previous schools?
2) Which graduate program are you applying for? Are there other comparable programs around?
3) From the looks of things, you just took college/university courses and the capstone at Excelsior. Right?
4) Is that school accepting your Excelsior and other college courses? Wouldn't an international credit evaluation service work?
5) Most transcripts from overseas schools are in another language, it needs to be transcribed/translated anyways...
6) Did you ask the school for more info if you can/can't get the transcripts?  Did they respond back?
7) Which country/school did you go to?  Which degree did you complete? If you didn't complete one, how far along were you?

Thank you for your response,
1) yes, I did.
2) Physician Assistant masters program, but all programs are likely to ask for international transcripts as well. 
3) Yes, as I transferred a lot of credits.
4) Grad school is accepting Excelsior college BS degree w/o issues, they simply require you supply them with transcripts of all colleges attended.
5) My international transcripts were in English and were evaluated by ECE and WES 10 years ago, but those evals are now expired and I need to request new evals.
6) I called all PA programs I'm planning to apply to and they all said the same thing; I need the darn transcripts. 
7) Cairo University medical school in Egypt, but I never completed my degree. I completed three years of study in that school.

I hope that clears things a bit. 

Thank you.

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24 additional credits in a second area of study unrelated to your first degree or limited overlap. But I am not sure a second BA/BA will help, your MA/MS School will still want transcripts from your School that is being difficult with you.

Hello,
I think I will go for a BS in psychology with Excelsior, but I will NOT use the international credits for that degree to make sure I don't face the same issue when I obtain the psych degree and use to apply to grad school. So after graduating with a BS in psychology, the transcripts submitted to grad school won't reflect any international credits. I hope that makes sense.

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24 additional credits in a second area of study unrelated to your first degree or limited overlap. But I am not sure a second BA/BA will help, your MA/MS School will still want transcripts from your School that is being difficult with you.

I agree. I find it extremely likely that a second bachelor's will not help with the transcript problem. You will probably still have to supply the transcripts, or convince the Master's program to allow you to omit them.

Hello,
Would you please elaborate why a second degree won't eliminate the transcript problem?

Thank you.

---

I guess we're not understanding your problem.  First, why do you need another degree?  Is it to get into the school you want to go to?  Why would they accept your second degree but not your first degree?  What credits came from the school that won't give you transcripts?  It looks like all of your credits came from here in the US, and were transferred to EC for a degree, so I'm just not understanding what you need to give the school?  It's confusing.

I apologize for the confusion. There are 41 science credits in my EC degree that I forgot to add to the list. I'm hoping if I get a second BS degree without ever using those 41 international credits I won't need to supply the international transcripts to the grad school. 

Thank you.

Aren't they already transcribed on your EC transcript and the source is noted?  You'd basically would have to start at another school that isn't EC if you are trying to hide those credits.

[drashrafaziz]

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Aren't they already transcribed on your EC transcript and the source is noted?  You'd basically would have to start at another school that isn't EC if you are trying to hide those credits.
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My advisor said when I complete the second degree, I can request the transcripts for that degree only, but Im not 100% sure he is correct. What do you think?

[dfrecore]

A second degree doesn't "hide" the fact that you have international transcripts floating around out there. Almost all schools will ask if you have ANY transcripts, and you will have to say yes, then you will have to show your EC transcript, which will show that you transferred classes, which will then raise the question of "where is that transcript?" So you're going to need to do something else.

The real question is, why won't your old school give you transcripts if they gave them to you before? What's the issue now?

Also, if you have your old WES eval, since you don't actually need it for the credits, wouldn't a school accept that as "proof" that you had transcripts and sent them in and they were evaluated?

I would continue to talk to people and see if you can't find someone who can help you.

[videogamesrock]

Aren't they already transcribed on your EC transcript and the source is noted?  You'd basically would have to start at another school that isn't EC if you are trying to hide those credits.
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My advisor said when I complete the second degree, I can request the transcripts for that degree only, but Im not 100% sure he is correct. What do you think?
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Your EC transcript will show coursework from all of your sources that you transferred in.