PhD IT, $383 PCH, Bachelors entry, thoughts!?

[armstrongsubero]

I am irritable because this is non-sense.

If we were talking about jobs then fine a underwater basket weaving degree with a concentration in information technology and computer scince systems could work.

Heck in some companies you can print that degree from your printer at home or buy if from some guy in an apartment and be a CEO of a major company with the right connections. It dosent matter.

I'm dealing with an academic distinction. All these fields are different. Contact the schools themselves and see what they say. These degrees are given different names because they are each meant to serve a different purpose.

Any school that offer both an IT and an IS program will not 'blur' any distinction, they are given different names for a reason. Ask the department dean what each is about. Here is what one school had to say:

Information systems (IS) and information technology (IT) are often considered synonymous. In reality, information technology is a subset of information systems. The perception that these terms can be used interchangeably can cause confusion for individuals interested in pursuing a technology-related career. Although both these fields deal with computers, they have distinct characteristics and specific career paths that require different education and training.

Information Systems

Information systems is an umbrella term for the systems, people and processes designed to create, store, manipulate, distribute and disseminate information. The field of information systems bridges business and computer science. One of the reasons people may not distinguish between IS and IT is that they assume all information systems are computer-based systems. An information system, however, can be as simple as a pencil and a piece of paper. Separate, the objects are just tools. Used together, they create a system for recording information. Although information systems are heavily reliant on computers and other technology-based tools, the term predates computers and can include non-technological systems.

A degree in information systems often includes courses in:

Information TheoryFoundations of ManagementSocial ScienceInformation Technology

Careers in information systems can include a variety of fields, such as actuarial sciences, analytics and programming, communications, computer security and auditing.

Information Technology

Information technology falls under the IS umbrella but deals with the technology involved in the systems themselves. Information technology can be defined as the study, design, implementation, support or management of computer-based information systems.

IT typically includes hardware, software, databases and networks. Information technology often governs the acquisition, processing, storage and dissemination of digitized information, or data, generated through the disciplines of computing and telecommunications. Information technology focuses on managing technology and improving its utilization to advance the overall business goals.

A career in information technology often requires a degree in computer or information science and can offer several career paths, such as cybersecurity, network or database administration, infrastructure management, business intelligence or enterprise resource planning, computer programming and software development.

Degree programs in information technology typically include courses in:

MathematicsDatabase DesignComputer Science and ForensicsProgramming Languages

Information systems and information technology are growing fields that offer a variety of job options and long-term professional growth. Although these fields are related, individuals who are interested in a technology-related career should understand the differences in order to select educational programs that will prepare them for a career that best matches their skills, interests and goals.


Dosent sound like they're blurred to me.

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@jsd like you told me on another thread it is my right to have an opinion lol.

[jsd]

I'm not attacking your opinion. I'm commenting on your aggressiveness over something so trivial.

[armstrongsubero]

This will be my last post on this topic though. Its like this guy with a degree in MET who inisits its an ME degree on the 'engineered truth' channel on youtube.

You have your opinion and I have mine. But orange and yellow are not the same or blurred becuase they are both colours and one contains the other. They are different. If guys with degrees cant understand that simple logic then we are all doomed!

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@jsd haha I'm naturally competitive, its a strength of mine. Might make me a shark one day!

[jsd]

its a strength of mine.

Okay.

[sanantone]

LOL. An IS degree comes nowhere near preparing students for actuarial science careers. Actuarial science requires a very strong math background. IS usually has the least amount of math out of all the computer-related degrees. Also, modern information systems programs will not prepare you for a career in communications.

The description of the IT program you posted fits many IS programs. TESU's BSBA in CIS more resembles your IT description than the IS description.

[armstrongsubero]

@jsd I never met a shark thats not agressive. Both in business and law enforcement. They rise to the top in everything they do. You need that agression, that edge, that buring drive to belive in something and defend it, that firery passion. Its advice I got from a shark and kept it. Worked for him and its working for me so far.... Ever watch shark tank? Dragons den? I did watch those after he told me that and he was right.

[sanantone]

Aggressive law enforcement officers get assaulted and sued. There's a difference between being aggressive and assertive.

[armstrongsubero]

@sanatone I could listen to you, or I could listen to what the University has to say. Hmmm I think I'll stick with the University. After all you pay them for what they know, not the other way around.

And IQ has the least math not IS.

I know one guy with an HR degree that works as an acturial analyst for an insurance company, he learned on the job. I know people with CIS degrees that DO work in the comm and telcom industry, its very common in fact. They all had the right connections.

Enough of this silly topic already. All that matters to me is what universities have to say on this and using Google a little solidifed my standpoint.

I cant wait to start the Little Rock PhD program or Aspen DSc. Dr. here I come! I already know what I want to research!!

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@sanantone nope, I beg to differ. Can't comment much for obvious reasons. All I can say once we went from a force ro a service crime rose. Recently our former commissioner was fired and a ex-military man was put to add the agression that was lost. A new zero tolerance approch is being adopted. Crime is decresing because of it.

I knew you would say that. All the CJ stuff really dosent apply everywhere. Our former comissioner was a CJ guy implenting all the text book policies. Culture is different everwhere and those mumbo jumbo theories dont work everywhere. After all, they're not laws.

Since we got a more operations based man whi shows his agression and states its zero tolerance, and I quote him "Its one shot, one kill" crime IS decreasing. We needed that agression back, and I am glad!

So yeah assertive works in a developed country. In a developing yeah, not so much.

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And it applies to academia too! Gotta attack those courses! Attack the research! Fight the sleep! Else you wash out....like I said its my opinion and it works for me. Im not saying to be violent. But you can't be passive in life.

[sanantone]

@sanatone I could listen to you, or I could listen to what the University has to say. Hmmm I think I'll stick with the University. After all you pay them for what they know, not the other way around.

And IQ has the least math not IS.

I know one guy with an HR degree that works as an acturial analyst for an insurance company, he learned on the job. I know people with CIS degrees that DO work in the comm and telcom industry, its very common in fact. They all had the right connections.

Enough of this silly topic already. All that matters to me is what universities have to say on this and using Google a little solidifed my standpoint.

I cant wait to start the Little Rock PhD program or Aspen DSc. Dr. here I come! I already know what I want to research!!

People who have connections and learned on the job are not good examples of a degree program training them to do a particular job. You defeated your own argument. 

Universities are good at teaching basic skills, but professors are usually not knowledgeable of the current job market either because they were never in it or because they've been out of it for a long time. They can give you advice on the academic job market, and that's about it.

For example, many of my PhD professors swear that a criminal justice degree will make you more completitive for civil service, law enforcement jobs. That is not the case at all. The only professor who knows this is not the case is the one who used to be a state trooper. The other professors who believe in this fairy tale have never even applied to a law enforcement agency. I have applied to many law enforcement agencies, and I worked for a few. 

Now, who has better knowledge of the criminal justice job market? A student who has worked for and applied to law enforcement agencies, or a 50-year old professor who has been teaching for the past 20 years?

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@sanatone I could listen to you, or I could listen to what the University has to say. Hmmm I think I'll stick with the University. After all you pay them for what they know, not the other way around.

And IQ has the least math not IS.

I know one guy with an HR degree that works as an acturial analyst for an insurance company, he learned on the job. I know people with CIS degrees that DO work in the comm and telcom industry, its very common in fact. They all had the right connections.

Enough of this silly topic already. All that matters to me is what universities have to say on this and using Google a little solidifed my standpoint.

I cant wait to start the Little Rock PhD program or Aspen DSc. Dr. here I come! I already know what I want to research!!

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@sanantone nope, I beg to differ. Can't comment much for obvious reasons. All I can say once we went from a force ro a service crime rose. Recently our former commissioner was fired and a ex-military man was put to add the agression that was lost. A new zero tolerance approch is being adopted. Crime is decresing because of it.

I knew you would say that. All the CJ stuff really dosent apply everywhere. Our former comissioner was a CJ guy implenting all the text book policies. Culture is different everwhere and those mumbo jumbo theories dont work everywhere. After all, they're not laws.

Since we got a more operations based man whi shows his agression and states its zero tolerance, and I quote him "Its one shot, one kill" crime IS decreasing. We needed that agression back, and I am glad!

So yeah assertive works in a developed country. In a developing yeah, not so much.

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And it applies to academia too! Gotta attack those courses! Attack the research! Fight the sleep! Else you wash out....like I said its my opinion and it works for me. Im not saying to be violent. But you can't be passive in life.

Most of us live in the U.S., a developed country. When I worked corrections, the aggressive officers were the ones who were always assaulted. The more intelligent officers with good communication skills were good at deescalating situations. Research in the U.S. has shown that Broken Windows policing does not work, but community policing does.

I don't know if you've ever worked in the U.S. Our arguments are based on our experiences in the U.S. If your opinions come from your country, then there really is no logic in telling Americans that they're wrong.

[jsd]

Ever watch shark tank? Dragons den? I did watch those after he told me that and he was right.

Well I guess if that's what the TV people say...