Lockdown at CCSU (next door to Charter Oak)

[NatashaB]

Central Connecticut State University on lockdown after reports of gunman on campus

Very glad to be taking online classes right now! I hope nobody is hurt.

[sanantone]

I wish I could carry my gun on campus. The gun ban on school campuses hasn't stopped 3 or 4 people from being robbed at Texas State University so far this year. When I had to go to night concerts at San Antonio College for my Fundamentals of Music course, I was on edge. It seemed like we got an email once or twice a month about how someone was robbed or sexually assaulted.

[ironheadjack]

Gun free zones have never stopped psychopaths from carrying out their plans of evil. But it does ensure that no one has the means to protect themselves.

[Maniac Craniac]

What exactly do you plan on doing when you hear gunshots, turn around and 25 people are pointing barrels at each other trying to figure out who is on whose side? Even the police, who are highly trained and sent on calls that are merited by their experience, misfire, shoot the wrong person, shoot themselves in the foot (literally), mistake harmless objects and noises for guns or misread intentions. Would I feel better, safer, knowing that untrained or minimally trained people who think that physics class is an appropriate place to weild an incredibly sensitive deadly weapon under the highly statistically improbable notion that the "bad guy" is the one who will be hit by any of its bullets are given a nod by the institution to do just that? Uhhh, no.

But I get it. Really, really, I get it. I'm tempted to carry a knife with me or a stun gun. I'm also tempted to drive instead of fly. The illusion of control fosters the delusion of safety which cyclically reinforces the illusion of control and puts you in even greater danger- these are cognitive biases at work.

[Maniac Craniac]

Back on topic: I hope everyone is ok. Schools have been revving up efforts to increase security with lockdown procedures and drills. I hope we hear good news at the end of this and potential averted crises to come.

[sanantone]

People already carry concealed everywhere else, but I'm more concerned with robberies and sexual assaults than the very rare mass shootings. On another note, I'm very disappointed and concerned that Texas has decreased the number of hours of training needed to get a CHL and renew it. I'm more trained than the average person because I've been licensed as a commissioned security officer for several years. I went through 30 hours of initial training (it's now 40) and have to go through 6 hours of training every 2 years. They trust security officers to carry on government property while on duty, so why not let them carry when they're off duty? There have been a lot of cases of on duty armed guards stopping armed perpetrators. Police officers, who have over 600 hours of initial training, aren't even allowed to carry concealed in certain places. I like the idea of LEOSA in that it allows current and retired police officers to carry concealed in any state without a CCW or CHL, but it unfortunately does not exempt them from state laws that ban people from carrying in governmental buildings.

My school is doing research on mass shootings. I'm hoping that they will eventually conduct research on outcomes when an armed bystander or victim is involved. The professor conducting the research said that there were 3 incidents where off-duty police officers and a military veteran stopped a mass shooting, but again, these people aren't allowed to carry in gun free zones. I can assure you that a police officer who misfires will kill a lot less people than a mass shooter who isn't stopped. Research has shown that the people who have the best chance for survival are those who fight back if they don't have a way to exit the scene. Unfortunately, throwing chairs is often not enough. Texas is trying to solve this issue of minimally trained people by allowing teachers to become school marshals. They will receive extensive training from academies authorized by TCLEOSE (the agency in Texas that licenses peace officers, telecommunicators, jailers, and public security officers). If I were a public school teacher, I would happily volunteer.

[Maniac Craniac]

Duplicate, sorry.

[Maniac Craniac]

CCSU: Three in Custody, Lockdown Lifted | NBC Connecticut

It looks like all is well!

[ironheadjack]

What exactly do you plan on doing when you hear gunshots, turn around and 25 people are pointing barrels at each other trying to figure out who is on whose side? Even the police, who are highly trained and sent on calls that are merited by their experience, misfire, shoot the wrong person, shoot themselves in the foot (literally), mistake harmless objects and noises for guns or misread intentions. Would I feel better, safer, knowing that untrained or minimally trained people who think that physics class is an appropriate place to weild an incredibly sensitive deadly weapon under the highly statistically improbable notion that the "bad guy" is the one who will be hit by any of its bullets are given a nod by the institution to do just that? Uhhh, no.

But I get it. Really, really, I get it. I'm tempted to carry a knife with me or a stun gun. I'm also tempted to drive instead of fly. The illusion of control fosters the delusion of safety which cyclically reinforces the illusion of control and puts you in even greater danger- these are cognitive biases at work.

Many cops are dangerously under trained when it comes to firearms training. IDK if we have (m)any police officers on this forum but let me preface the following by saying I don't hate cops or anything of the like. I have quite a few friends and family members who are police officers, and corrections officers. And they have told me that they and most of their colleagues have to qualify at the range twice a year so to prepare they practice a few days beforehand; which means they train with their firearms 2-6 times per year.

My friend is in the police academy right now and told me he spent 4 days at the range. Again this is not to discredit the police but graduating from the police academy doesn't make you Annie Oakley.

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On the other hand, Newsweek has reported that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).

You will find similar statistics from many different sources, people who accept the responsibility to carry a concealed weapon train with their weapons.

There is no illusion of control in my mind, I know for a fact that I shoot more accurately then any school shooter or street gangbanger.

Given the choice of hiding under a desk frantically dialing 911, or hiding under a desk with my firearm in my hand......I'll choose the latter.



*Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby - Forbes

[deucess]

Banning gun is not the solution. Those psychopaths will always find a way to do evil. If you remove the gun, then what's to stop them from driving a car into a school campus, church or anywhere there is an assembly. What's to stop them from building a bomb, they can easily build a bomb with basic chemistry knowledge and most thing from the local hardware store. So you see, gun is not a problem. And you would think with people willingly invite the government into the homes by posting every movement in the lives, that the government would take more advantage at those access to put those psychos under watch.