Last Post about CIS degree at TESU

[tsimmns]

The only reason that I'd really like to consider it is for the Federal Job classification in the 2210 series as I hope to one day get into using a combination of experience and education. The experience I currently do not have, but however am about to cross train into this area. I know the feds aren't that particular in what they want, however they have these requirements.

Undergraduate or Graduate Education: Degree in computer science, engineering, information science, information systems management, mathematics, operations research, statistics, or technology management or degree that provided a minimum of 24 semester hours in one or more of the fields identified above and required the development or adaptation of applications, systems or networks.

My main question is, does this degree from TESU, even provide a total of 24 hours in computers and math. I know that it doesn't provide courses in engineering, statistics, or anything else. Basically I know it has the 18 hours provided for the CIS, and then there is a required Math class along with the GEN Ed computer class needed so I'm thinking this degree might be ok to fulfill this.

I have considered other schools that specifically offer a degree in Information Systems or Information Technology Mgmt, but I keep coming back to this degree as I could basically complete it by the end of the year.

While looking at what I would have on a transcript from looking at my evaluation I would have: College Algebra, Statistics 1, Calculus 1 and then the other 18 hours which gives 27 hours. I guess I could always take some other computer classes to add to the electives, but maybe I'm just being to paranoid about this.

[Prloko]

(I think I found another post of yours about this same question on a Fed sight )

I currently work in another Federal job classification that requires 24 hours in business. What classifies for business is very broad for my field, so I'm sure it will be similar for the requirements for your series. Mathematics means mathematics, so the basic stats and algebra class will count toward the requirement (also CLEPs as long as they are on a college transcript). You probably have tech management on your CCAF transcript that is transferred to TESC, think your tech school management courses. Also, you're missing a big OR in the description above. The CIS degree is an Information systems degree.

What they are trying to do is separate managers of information systems from "users" from information systems. Many military "IT" guys unfortunately are sold fools gold. They are trained to be IS users and not IS managers but are classified in IS AFSC's/MOS's.

And yes, with the way TESC gives credit for the CLEP on the transcript, it will count. I did it with my job series.

Finally, just so you know, the 2210 series as a whole does NOT have a positive education requirement, which means you may find some positions that require the 24 hours and some that don't.
Here is one for example: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/430581500/
Here's another: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/431945000/

[tsimmns]

That post would be mine Prloko I will probably continue with the TESU CIS degree, I'll just need to email them and have them change the concentration from General to CIS, which is what I originally was.

I'm not sure what you mean by positive job series, although I think I do. The job you posted from the Dept. of the Navy doesn't mention anything about education, however I was under the impression that no job in the GS-12 and above range listed education. My biggest problem has been to just get started, although I am no enrolled from the March term in the Marriage and Family TECEP.

As for your IS users and Managers degrees I agree. I guess if you do Radio Transmissions you can qualify for the 2210 series even though you actually do nothing related to IT. However, I may be way off on what your trying to get across in this top as well. As always, thanks for your response. Hopefully soon I can be like others stating "I'm Done" also.

[dfrecore]

Courses from the BSBA CIS degree that will work (and are required):
College Algebra
Statistics
Computer Concepts & Applications (TECEP/CLEP/DSST/SL/Saylor)
Programming (SL has C++)
Info Systems Analysis & Design (CSU-Global)
Network Technology (TECEP)
MIS (DSST)
1 add'l UL course like Cloud Computing & Big Data or Ethical Hacking (CSU-Global)

Plus you can use the following in Gen Ed or Free Electives:
Intermediate Algebra (ALEKS)
Applied Liberal Arts Math (TECEP)
TEEX Cybersecurity courses (6cr)
An additional non-duplicative basic computer course (the TECEP doesn't duplicate CLEP/DSST for instance)

So I think you are fine.

[Prloko]

That post would be mine Prloko I will probably continue with the TESU CIS degree, I'll just need to email them and have them change the concentration from General to CIS, which is what I originally was.

I'm not sure what you mean by positive job series, although I think I do. The job you posted from the Dept. of the Navy doesn't mention anything about education, however I was under the impression that no job in the GS-12 and above range listed education. My biggest problem has been to just get started, although I am no enrolled from the March term in the Marriage and Family TECEP.

As for your IS users and Managers degrees I agree. I guess if you do Radio Transmissions you can qualify for the 2210 series even though you actually do nothing related to IT. However, I may be way off on what your trying to get across in this top as well. As always, thanks for your response. Hopefully soon I can be like others stating "I'm Done" also.

No problem. What I mean by "positive education requirement" is government positions that outright by law or statute require you to have a credential to even be considered. These are usually your "professional" job series (i.e. Attorneys, Scientists, Doctors), but also some that you may not have thought like Contracting, which requires by US code that people in the 1102 series have a degree and 24 business credits.

I looked up the job series you're interested in and looked at OPM and other agency PDs (position descriptions, if you don't know what this is, you need to get smart on this before you make a federal resume) and did NOT find an outright requirement for the degree. I may be wrong so you should verify, but I didn't find anything in my quick search that outright required it. The two I selected above were two positions that did not have a degree requirement, you usually find the requirement at the GS-5 level which is bare bones entry level with only college under your belt. If you have the proper experience, you can qualify at the higher grade levels. But all that will be moot because you will have a CIS degree as stated in those job announcements.

As far as the managers vs users thing. This is from my understanding and from hearing from hiring managers, is that the military classify certain MOSs/AFSCs/rates, etc as IT and it will even be in your title, but then they put you at a call center or service desk where you manage people's Sharepoint access or email accounts. Although the military classifies this as IT, the civilian world sees this person as a super-user, and can train anyone without IT experience for this. Some organizations will even have a GS-9 with no IT experience filling a similar position. The civilian world sees an IT professional as someone who can not only administer software access or connect someone's monitor, but conceptualize, design , build, and actually manage a database system. Some military IT positions give you this experience, some don't. And I say the military guys "are sold fools gold", because they are usually recruited as "IT" and then get thrown into positions where they actually have very little control over the IT system itself and are help-desk types. Nothing wrong with help-desk, just not what is being sold, just like how recruiters sell "security forces" as "cops" when they are actually a FP unit.