Josh Duggar

[sanantone]

I really don't think Duggars wife will have the strength to leave him. Hopefully she will. It's a long hard road living with a cheater. Hopefully she will not bring any more children into the union. Those poor children.

Since he hasn't been cured of his sexual disorder, I'm concerned about the children's well-being. I also hope that he's not watching child pornography. There is no doubt that Jared Fogle will be convicted of something and will have to register as a sex offender. There is no one to monitor Josh Duggar, and he may never seek professional counseling. Their religion requires them to continue to have children as long as it's possible. Unfortunately, Anna has no marketable skills to make it on her own. Because her family is also a part of the Quiverfull movement, I don't know if they would support her in leaving him. They might even try to place the blame on her for her husband's transgressions.

[rebel100]

Since he hasn't been cured of his sexual disorder, I'm concerned about the children's well-being. I also hope that he's not watching child pornography. There is no doubt that Jared Fogle will be convicted of something and will have to register as a sex offender.

I don't know that you can say adultery=pedophile. Fogle was a grown man who preyed on children. Duggar was 14 and targeted ( to the best of my knowledge) other "kids" more or less his own age. It's all disgusting, but the cases are not equal, at least not with the info that's been put out there.

Adults seeking to hook up with other adults, married or not, don't need government oversight.

[sanantone]

I don't know that you can say adultery=pedophile. Fogle was a grown man who preyed on children. Duggar was 14 and targeted ( to the best of my knowledge) other "kids" more or less his own age. It's all disgusting, but the cases are not equal, at least not with the info that's been put out there.

Adults seeking to hook up with other adults, married or not, don't need government oversight.

Duggar was 14-15 when he molested girls as young as 5. When I was that age, I sure wasn't thinking about molesting 5 year old children. A normal teenager would just have sex with other teenagers. Instead, he chose to molest non-consenting children and pre-teens. Even if the girls were his age, they were still non-consenting. Duggar just missed the cutoff of 16 for being a pedophile. Those who engage in sexual deviancy tend to be generalists. One thing that is learned in advanced criminal justice and criminology courses is that there is no such thing as a specialist when it comes to criminal and deviant behavior. Given his deviant behavior as a teenager, it is not surprise that he can't remain faithful and is addicted to pornography.

[rebel100]

I had to look up "quiverfull" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

Centers on pregnancy...though I wouldn't doubt they hold fundamentalist ideas on monogamy and marriage.

[sanantone]

I had to look up "quiverfull" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

Centers on pregnancy...though I wouldn't doubt they hold fundamentalist ideas on monogamy and marriage.

They do hold fundamentalist views on monogamy and marriage. It is possible that Anna could seek a divorce if Josh actually committed adultery. I don't know if they count seeking extramarital relationships as adultery. Some Christians do. Josh wasn't clear on whether or not he actually cheated. He said he was unfaithful, but that could be referring to watching porn and signing up for Ashley Madison. On the other hand, the Quiverfull movement treats women as second-class citizens. When sex offenses have been committed by males, the first thing they look for is whether or not the female was at fault. And, one of the most influential personalities, Bill Gothard, remained unmarried and molested/sexually assaulted about three dozen women. He promoted marriage and child-bearing, but never got married and had children.

[rebel100]

Those who engage in sexual deviancy tend to be generalists.

Really? In my career I've found people to be rather consistent. I'm working a stalker/drunk/harassment case right now and unsurprisingly when I ran him his past crimes are quite predicable. That's been pretty consistent in all my years in law enforcement, they may progress and their end might alter from their norm, but even then we see regularity or if you will "the fruit of their labors". By this I mean that a guy will steal then maybe progress to robbery, then one day a store clerk gets shot and killed and the perp ends up on death row...but it's not like bad guys just sit around looking for "any" mischief to get into. Pedophile cases I've worked on often featured other types of pornography, but the pedophilia was usually an underlying tone and the main focus of their behavior. If anything Duggar's recent acts would appear as a reversal or regression. A pedophile often gets off on the control and manipulation aspects...adultery through Ashley Madison doesn't fit the bill. I might argue this is supported by the reported turn on's revealed with the account: Duggar likes to cuddle. I think this guy grew up in an authoritarian house with lots of rules, has genuine guilt which his family instilled from a young age, and has acted out within the strict confines imposed by others. Doesn't vindicate any of it, but Fogle acted in a very different abhorrent manner.

As before, I'm not taking up for the guy....just not convinced based on what I know that pedophile is a fair assessment.

[Devanna]

I'm annoyed with how centered this thing has already become on Josh, especially with this new "source" that has been speaking out. It's all about how bad HE feels and how HE will recover and how Anna must've not been meeting HIS needs. This woman did everything she was told to do, everything she was told would guarantee a good, happy marriage: she dressed modestly, was meek and submissive, embraced her role in marriage, made herself secondary to her husband's calling, etc. All it got her was a husband who listed one of his interests as professional/take-charge women.

Man, I really feel for her.

[LaterBloomer]

My instinctive response? I don't feel sorry for Anna. She's an adult. How she lives her life is her choice. Women have left bad relationships before, and it wasn't easy. Women have stayed in bad relationships, and it wasn't easy. We live the lives we choose to live.

And, yes, I do sound like a cold-hearted you-know-what, but I think it's demeaning to treat a woman as if she can't handle her own life.

[rebel100]

My instinctive response? I don't feel sorry for Anna. She's an adult. How she lives her life is her choice. Women have left bad relationships before, and it wasn't easy. Women have stayed in bad relationships, and it wasn't easy. We live the lives we choose to live.

And, yes, I do sound like a cold-hearted you-know-what, but I think it's demeaning to treat a woman as if she can't handle her own life.

Tough to be a bad ass liberated woman when you've been taught from birth to be submissive, turn the other cheek, do what the man with the control tells you to do. Not sure she has accepted nor chosen, but rather has been conditioned to respond as she has been taught.

[sanantone]

Really? In my career I've found people to be rather consistent. I'm working a stalker/drunk/harassment case right now and unsurprisingly when I ran him his past crimes are quite predicable.

You described a generalist. He didn't just engage in one deviancy. No one will probably ever know what his sexual habits were whether legal or illegal. Watching pornography that simulates incest is not illegal, but it is still deviant. Most sex offenders will never be caught.

Pedophile cases I've worked on often featured other types of pornography, but the pedophilia was usually an underlying tone and the main focus of their behavior.

Pedophiles have been studied extensively. Arousal studies are mostly done in Canada because researchers aren't allowed to show child pornography to participants in the U.S. Being only attracted to children is rare for a pedophile. Most pedophiles have sexual relations with adults and are aroused by adults. Most pedophiles have engaged in other types of crime or deviant behaviors. There is a major difference between what is known to the criminal justice system and what happens in reality. Most crimes go undetected.

If anything Duggar's recent acts would appear as a reversal or regression. A pedophile often gets off on the control and manipulation aspects...adultery through Ashley Madison doesn't fit the bill. I might argue this is supported by the reported turn on's revealed with the account: Duggar likes to cuddle. I think this guy grew up in an authoritarian house with lots of rules, has genuine guilt which his family instilled from a young age, and has acted out within the strict confines imposed by others. Doesn't vindicate any of it, but Fogle acted in a very different abhorrent manner.

Duggar's behaviors are consistent. He lacks self-control, and his known self-control issues surround sexual behaviors. However, it wouldn't be surprising if he lacks self-control in other areas of his life.

My instinctive response? I don't feel sorry for Anna. She's an adult. How she lives her life is her choice. Women have left bad relationships before, and it wasn't easy. Women have stayed in bad relationships, and it wasn't easy. We live the lives we choose to live.

And, yes, I do sound like a cold-hearted you-know-what, but I think it's demeaning to treat a woman as if she can't handle her own life.

Well, she did know that he was a child molester before she married him. However, men and women can fall to brainwashing. They are under the pressure of a cult.